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Russia could be behind migrant terror attacks, German investigators fear (www.telegraph.co.uk)
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[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 58 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Russlands hybrider Krieg ist real.

Ich würde gerne auch in diesem Fall eindeutige Beweise sehen, aber das wird immer schwierig sein. Die werden natürlich niemals Ermittlungen auf eigenem Boden zulassen, und es wird immer schwieriger überhaupt vertrauenswürdige Information aus Russland zu bekommen.

[-] seeigel@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

Die Attentäter sollten doch in Deutschland rekrutiert worden sein. Da sollte deutscher Boden erst einmal ausreichen.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

Natürlich. Aber von da die eindeutige Verbindung zum Kreml herzustellen.

[-] spechter@lemmy.ml 61 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Waaaaas?!1?!112?

Das Terrorregime, das in Berlin Oppositionelle in aller Öffentlichkeit hinrichten lässt, soll im Vorfeld der Wahl widerliche Dinge getan haben um ihre widerlichen Brüder im Geiste zu stärken?!

Hier bitte loriot Bild "Nein, doch, oh" einfügen

[-] WhereAngelsFearToFly@feddit.org 30 points 6 days ago

Louis de Funès.

[-] spechter@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago

Gab es im Zusammenhang mit dem Artikel doch noch unerwartete Erkenntnisse, danke dafür.

[-] KasimirDD@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago

"Ach?"

[-] kahdbrixk@feddit.org 21 points 6 days ago

https://archive.ph/57HnE Link zum Lesen ohne account

[-] EtzBetz@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago

Wie kann das sein, dass der Telegraph über so eine Website doch zu lesen ist, aber eine lokale Zeitung hier von mir aus der Gegend standhält?

Also muss ja im Prinzip daran liegen, dass der Telegraph z.B. eine vollständige Version für den Google Bot oder so hat, und die lokale Zeitung hier nicht. Aber ist das tatsächlich der Punkt?

[-] cageythree@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

Meine Vermutung wäre, dass der Telegraph so groß ist, dass Archive-Seiten (genau wie Google) nahezu sofort jeden neuen Artikel indexiert, wodurch sie im Archive (wie auch bei Google) als Volltext suchbar zu finden sind. Die Lokalzeitung hingegen wird von Google, vermutlich aber nicht den Archivern sofort indexiert.

[-] EtzBetz@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

Aber das Problem habe ich auch bei Artikeln, die schon ½ Jahr alt sind.

Und man kann ja je nach Plattform manuell einen Index abrufen, wobei aber bei der Lokalzeitung eben nicht der ganze Inhalt geindext wird.

[-] tflyghtz@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Danke dir

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

This sound like propaganda on top of more propaganda. Terror attacks have been going on for decades, pretty much since the west decided to fuck up the middle east. Never ever you get to hear the motives behind these attacks which simply get labelled as "terrorism"

[-] kahdbrixk@feddit.org 20 points 6 days ago

Everything is propaganda if you lean to one side of politics and have no prove other than a "theory that is getting investigated".

Things is, these attacks were really interestingly timed just before the elections in Germany. Without these attacks, that btw suddenly stopped after the elections, the sway of the elections and the main topic would have been totally different. And the AfD would never have gotten where they are today, at least not in 2025.

We really got fast tracked into right wing anti democratic movements that were already there, but not in these numbers.

It's really not that common in Germany to have attacks like that, especially in that frequency. So yeah, one can guess and theorize into the field of conspiracy theories, but until proven otherwise it's just a theory.

[-] LemmeLurk@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

What in wondering, if that would be the case of it being paid by Russia. Why would they stop right at the elections? The government is still in a very unstable state and the AFD is as strong as ever. More terror attacks would increase the pressure of the CDU folding over to work with the afd.

But maybe it could also make the SPD more likely to compromise in some aspects.

[-] Tobi@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

Because in one time it comes out and everybody will know that they pay people for such things.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

The migrant crisis didn't start yesterday. People have been accusing governments of creating this chaos for years

[-] kahdbrixk@feddit.org 7 points 5 days ago

You mean the right wing crisis, right? Because that's far more dangerous to our system then the small negative impacts of migration compared to all the positives it brought to us.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Are we talking about the same thing? In the past decades millions of people fled africa and the middle east because of the chaos and poverty first world countries fueled. Our capitalistic societies and authoritarian governments failed to integrate these people and instead exploited them for cheap labor.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah that's true. A major player has been russia to destabilise those regions, with the very goal in mind to destabilise us.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Sure russia played his part but don't forget the role your government also had.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My research skills fail me here, maybe you can help me out. I live in germany.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_and_the_Gaza_war

"According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Germany accounted for 30% of weapons imports into Israel between 2019 and 2023."

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

But that's not what you meant?

Supporting an ally with stabilisation in mind, that turns out to be an asshole that goes too far in their self defense, is different than destabilising regions for fun or profit.

Believe me, we are very dependent on a stabilised africa and middle east. Only actors against us would risk or like to destabilise them.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Supporting an ally with stabilisation in mind, that turns out to be an asshole

Believe me, we are very dependent on a stabilised africa and middle east. Only actors against us would risk or like to destabilise them.

You sound totally unaware of what happened in the past 50 years in the middle east and africa.

[-] seeigel@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

That you can claim innocence should make you worried about your information sources. Germany delivered machines for chemical weapons for the Iran Iraq war. Germany supported the first war in Iraq with money. It was intelligence from the BND (Curveball) that was used to start the second one.

[-] belastend@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 days ago

Their frenquency has increased over the last years.

[-] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

And they'll continue to as long as the ultra wealthy use unregulated media to blame culture issues to avoid fair taxation and political unification. If we want terror attacks to stop we must tax the rich out of existence - we must improve the lives of the average person.

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