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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’::"I don't think I would have believed it."

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[-] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 221 points 1 year ago

Forgive me, sire; I hadn't $80,000 to spend on a luxury truck.

You fuck.

[-] subtext@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

A luxury truck with the ugliest headlights on a car today.

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

Whenever I see these razor thin LED headlights on vehicles, my first thought is are those COB chips getting cooled properly?

It just comes across as very sus, a bit like form over function at the expense of headlight longevity

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[-] 3laws@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So a $77-82k Suburban is good in your eyes then? How come? Why? Oh wait, you didn't read the quote.

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[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

If you knew that he was referring to the purchase of a $80k Suburban in 2030 would that change your assessment?

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 145 points 1 year ago

Selling $80k electric cars and making comments like this is sort of like saying 'let them eat cake' in 1780

[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

If you read the article you’d see that he said that in the context of buying a Chevy Suburban in 2030. Suburbans start at $77k, so I don’t think his comment is that out of line.

[-] 3laws@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

It's not, of course it's not.

But we know that legacy Reddit users never even bothered to read the articles anyway. Hurray! I missed-- not.

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[-] DauntingFlamingo@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those trucks/SUVs weigh 8500lbs. Since there is no fuel tax being collected, these monsters are destroying the roads and not contributing to their upkeep. My city is passing laws to significantly increase the registration on these vehicles, according to their annual mileage. I'm all for going electric, but an 8500lb truck is not helping the environment

[-] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

This is true, but fuel taxes are very low. Most states that are charging an EV "road maintenance fee" (with whatever phrasing they select) are charging way more than an ICE vehicle would contribute in fuel taxes. And while it is true that BEVs are heavier than ICE vehicles, all else held equal, and that road wear and tear is strongly dependent on weight... as I recall reading, the overwhelming majority of road wear and tear is the result of freight trucks and similar vehicles.

I’m all for going electric, but an 8500lb truck is not helping the environment.

The issue here isn't that it's an EV in this case. It's that it's a truck. I'd wager than >95% of people buying trucks in the US would be perfectly served by a four door sedan or comparable sized vehicle. Trucks have largely become expensive vanity items to act as an external signal of a person's cultural identity. Contractors and similar that actually use a truck for truck purposes still exist, but they're comically outnumbered by people buying trucks for no good reason.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

My conservative neighbor drives an F-150 (~5,500 lbs) and his wife drives a Tahoe (~5,800 lbs). But he had the gall to complain to me last week about the weight of my Model Y (4,400 lbs). It's amazing what a little bit of oil and gas propaganda has been able to accomplish.

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[-] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

It’s important to read the full quote from Rivian’s CEO before complaining about $75k electric trucks:

“I think the reality of buying a combustion-powered vehicle … is sort of like building a horse barn in 1910,” he said. “Imagine buying a Chevy Suburban in 2030 … what are you going to do with that … in 10 years?”

He’s comparing buying a Rivian truck with buying a Suburban, which has a base price of $57k for the lowest tier configuration (LS) and a $76k price on the High Country configuration.

[-] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 29 points 1 year ago

Proof that very few read the article

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago

It's still a fair complaint though. What about those of us who can't afford to spend $75,000 on a car?

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[-] kaitco@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

Um…does the CEO know that horses are still a thing and that horse barns (aka stables) are still in use? Also, the invention of the automobile didn’t instantly displace the horse. It was well into the 1920s before they became a regular sight.

Also…there’s lots of reasons to buy gas-powered cars these days. For one, not everyone lives in a home where they can install the necessary charger, so you’d always be on the “hunt” for charging stations, and fuel cars are generally cheaper at this time. Once we see the market flooded with EV cars, the prices will come down and fuel cars will no longer be the norm, but we’re likely a decade or more away from that.

I get what the CEO is trying to say, but it’s still incredibly tone-deaf.

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[-] generalpotato@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What he actually meant to say was:

“I’ve got my head so far up my ass that I think everybody should be spending $100k+ on a truck regardless of their need or financial circumstances. I’m also incapable of doing my job, which is why my company can’t produce enough units, even though it’s largely a solved supply chain problem. This is how I cope with my shitty existence on this planet.”

[-] CaptFeather@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago

I just looked up the price for a Rivian truck and holy shit is this guy for real? Lmao. Just another out of touch CEO virtue signaling. If he really felt this way he would make them affordable lol

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Well maybe if this guy sold an electric car that people could afford, they would buy it

[-] niisyth@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

Startup costs need to be softened with a costlier higher margin vehicle. Cannot achieve quality mass production of cars from thin air.

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[-] T156@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

CEO of an electric car company recommends that people drive electric cars.

Doesn't really seem like much of a headline.

The statement might be more significant if it was a CEO of a car company that made diesel/petrol cars who said it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's more the tone deafness. Most people couldn't afford either a car or a horse barn in 1910 just like most people (in America anyway) can't afford an electric car.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 35 points 1 year ago

How to tell the entire world that you're rich and entitled.

Have you seen the price of electric cars it's ridiculous. No way I can afford one.

Also never mind the fact I have no way of charging it because I only have access to on-street parking. If they really wanted to help they should bring down the cost of their massively overpriced vehicles and also invest in distributing charging points around the country.

Isn't the ultimate plan supposed to be that they'll be at least one charging point and every highway at least every 8 mi?

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[-] Geek_King@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Please pay for my apartment complex to install charger plugs in our garages then.

I'm totally onboard with EV's, I just can't have one right now.

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 25 points 1 year ago

If they had decent range ones for just a bit cheaper...

It's minimum like $30k right now and that's just too much for most

Plus a lot of people still don't have anywhere to charge them.

Otherwise I'd have liked to have gotten one

[-] bushpilot@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

A Bolt, after all the tax incentives, comes in at around $18k!

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[-] neblem@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

A giant electric "luxury" truck is still a giant "luxury" truck. Buying one over the other is like buying a cruelty free synthetic beaver cap over a cap made from an actual beaver. Yes it probably is better, but you are still wearing an ass on your head.

It's 2023, most people live in urbanized areas where a truck is similarly ridiculous, especially the modern "luxury" models. Those that actually use their vehicles for hauling things at a farm want real work trucks and tractors (regardless of engine type) with lower and longer beds.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Buying any car, electric or otherwise, is 'Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’.

Real sustainability comes from changing the zoning code to cease outlawing walkability.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago

I buy what my meager wage allows me to afford...

Make an EV that competes on price with a Corolla and I'll be there.

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[-] phej@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago

Who cares what a CEO has to say?

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[-] PixelOfLife@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Rivian CEO should keep his mouth shut until a few grand gets you a used compact electric hatchback (VW Polo or similar) with a decent battery.

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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Got a battery powered van with a wheelchair ramp? No?

OK then.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

In 1910 the Model T had already been in production for 2 years. Remember that the Model T was designed to be cheap, so that every American could afford one.

If anything, this is more like buying a horse (not building a barn) in the "Horseless Carriage" era of the late 1800s. It was an era when cars basically looked like horse-drawn carriages but without the horses. Everything was custom-manufactured, and it was expensive. You could maybe see that these "horseless carriages" were the future, but they were still pretty impractical for the present. The world still had infrastructure only for horses, and not horseless carriages.

And yeah, if you were rich enough you might want to do your part to get rid of the major pollution problem of the day -- streets absolutely filled with horse shit. But, that didn't mean it was necessarily a practical idea to be one of the first to jump on the bandwagon.

[-] eee@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

CEO of a product ridiculing a competitor's product? I'm shocked, shocked!

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Sure, let me just fork over 80k for a truck from a company that's been building cars for only a couple of years.

My next vehicle will likely be electric, but right now my wife and I have decent cars that still run, and are paid for, and I'm reluctant to waste money replacing something that still works.

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[-] rockstarpirate@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Maybe if the alternative to building a horse barn in 1910 was building a garage that was so expensive only like 5% of the population could afford it.

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[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

In 1910, in the United States, there were about 5 automobiles per 1,000 people. His analogy is stupid.

Source: Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Transportation Energy Data Book: Edition 33, ORNL-6990, Oak Ridge, TN, July 2014, Tables 3.5 and 3.6.

I think his analogy is accidentally spot on. ICE cars are going to be around for a while

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[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Mans just mad people arent buying his cars.

[-] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Hey rivian ceo, build more fast charging stations along interstates and not just in big cities. Or build EVs that can go at least 500 miles on a charge.

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[-] killabeezio@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The infrastructure just isn't there yet. If you live in apartments, where will you charge it? Can the overall electrical grid handle the load if let's say 50% of people that own an electrical car? How do these cars do in extreme weather conditions? How much does it cost to repair them? How long will they last for? EVs are super expensive.

We can't even decide on a standard charging port.

While I will eventually get an EV, there are problems that need to be addressed still.

Tesla has ton of quality issues and riven is brand new. Why would I trust them?

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[-] Cheesus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

If solid state batteries do work out line Toyota says, these old EVs aren't going to be too attractive

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[-] Dekthro@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Bruh I can't even afford a EV.

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[-] SpliceVW@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I like the idea of electric cars, may purchase one, but they don't make sense for everyone at this point. The infrastructure isn't there, they're very expensive, the range isn't practical for some, and many of the choices are unreliable. I applaud those who can make them work, but they're not for everyone yet.

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