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[-] sqgl@beehaw.org 4 points 1 week ago

Regarding the trick of an adversary gaining access by emailing or SMS'ing a QR code for adding another device...

Why does the new device not demand the PIN before being added?

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

It does, I tried it. Though, that may have been an addition since the attacks started.

Though, in that specific case - Russian agents conducting espionage via targeted individuals - it's very likely they surveil their targets long enough to catch their device PIN before they nab the phone and return it. In the end, there is very little recourse to defend against this type of Evil Maid attack. Signal is really better at protecting against mass surveillance, but for individuals directly targeted by state espionage? You would need serious opsec, using air-gapped computers kept in safes or guarded by humans 24x7 and other crazy stuff. They have rules about what can be physically done with devices containing top secret information for a good reason.

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[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How's signal compared to Element?

Also, is there a secure way to directly send messages to someone else's phone without the message having to be stored on a central server? As in they're only stored on the recipient device. Is that even possible with how the internet works and how packets are routed between networks? Even if the server has no way of decrypting messages by default, just having the encrypted messages stored there is a liability because your encryption keys can easily get leaked by malware running on your device, phishing, etc.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 4 points 1 week ago

element keeps a lot of metadata unencrypted. but it is federated, you can choose the server that has access to it (deny federation for the room or set up federation ACLs if important to keep it there), and because of the former it's harder to just shut down.

https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/privacy/comments/1bqymdr/what_is_not_encrypted_in_element_matrix_client/

https://red.artemislena.eu/r/privacy/comments/da219t/im_project_lead_for_matrixorg_the_open_protocol/

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec/issues/660

https://red.artemislena.eu/r/privacy/comments/1bqymdr/what_is_not_encrypted_in_element_matrix_client/

signal doesn't, in theory they don't even know the recipient of your messages (but there's a twist in that part as I remember), but it is centralized around US servers. it is easier to shut down.

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