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I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 days ago

Not a VPN, but you may also want to look into I2P.

https://i2pd.website/

https://proprivacy.com/privacy-service/guides/i2p-guide

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FNp0TRDG0BQ

Basically, a p2p protocol for the entire internet.

Its considerably more complicated to set up than most modern VPNs, where nowaday's its usually as simple as install an app with a GUI, verify some settings and you're good to go, and i2p is also quite slow...

... but its totally free, and you can torrent over it, and as far as I know, if you've set it up properly, it is basically undetectable by ISPs, due to how it uses 'garlic' routing: basically, a whole bunch of users net requests are encrypted, anonymized, and then smashed into a big packet... so an ISP would have to untangle all of that for every packet, and afaik, none of them have figured out how.

I2P would obviously be horrible for watching streaming content though, snail speed.

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

I love Mullvad, but if you need P2P its not the best option. If you just need a VPN, though, its amazing. Today I just switched to AirVPN and am running it on Arch through Eddie. Have my qbittorrent set up to only allow connections through Eddie and just forwarded my first port. I'm very happy with it.

I think the only downside is that I could get Mullvad for 5eur a month on a month by month basis. AirVPN is 7eur or 15eur for three months, so I have to lock into the three months to get the same price.

[-] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago

Worth noting that Italy (location of airvpn) hates vpns and is constantly fucking around with them, to the point air doesn't even actually operate in Italy to preserve users privacy. Right now, theres no immediate risk, but it' is worth keeping an eye on the political situation in Italy regarding VPN laws

[-] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

I did read this somewhere before. I just have to take my chances at the moment. My other option was Windscribe, but unless you're paying for a year+ their prices are astronomical.

[-] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Yeah I use airvpn myself, its just worth throwing that info out for full transparency/disclosure

[-] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

What's going on with Proton the company?

Edit: ah fuck, thanks for the replies. Sigh.

[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 86 points 4 days ago

Their CEO praised Trump/the Republican Party. He got widely criticised for it. Proton released a damage control statement but later deleted it after it made things worse.

People are now moving away from Proton as a result.

[-] Extras5023@lemm.ee 18 points 4 days ago

Wow! Add me to that group. I need to cancel my annual family plan.

[-] Gronk@aussie.zone 11 points 4 days ago

I unfortunately bought a subscription before dickhead made his statement. Looks like I'm with them for a year >.<

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[-] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago

For fucks sake. I just started to move to proton last year...

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The CEO doesn't own Proton, for what it's worth. He may have founded it, but he does not have complete and total control over anything that Proton offers, as some here may believe.

[-] Wildfire0Straggler3@lemm.ee 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The CEO said that Trump chose a great pick and sided with Republicans and there was a firestorm over it, he doubled down on his position through the official Proton channel.

https://archive.ph/2yWGz

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Just FYI, the majority of Proton AG (which includes all Proton services) is owned by a non-profit body called the "Proton Foundation". This are headed by a board of 5 members, including Andy (CEO) and Tim Berners-Lee (the literal father of the internet as we know it).

Proton is fine.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

routing traffic through Israel is not fine.

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 29 points 4 days ago

Like basically all tech companies, the leadership are libertarian tech bros. It sucks, but whatever. The problem is also that the CEO (?) has been making public statements to try and cozy up to the trump administration over the past few months

Some of that still falls under the LTB effect (These policies benefit the company so fuck everyone else, etc) and it DOES make sense for a company to try and earn themselves an exception for the upcoming hellscape in a market that will REALLY want VPNs. But it still leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

Not in an "I MUST LEAVE PROTON NOW" state since I like the products because they tend to be pretty honest about what they will and won't do when the goons come a knocking and that mostly boils down to "cooperate. So do X Y and Z to protect yourself by preventing us from having the information they want"). But that, plus protonmail being kind of a shitshow if you want to keep offline copies of your emails, is motivation to shop around.

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

I wouldn't exactly call Tim Berners-Lee a "libertarian tech bro".

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[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 days ago

Proton recently closed their masterdon account because of the mutual hostility

[-] nawordar@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago
[-] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago

if anything they've reopened their account with Master Don

[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

Andy yen praising trump is one thing and I kind of don’t care about that so much. What I do care about is how proton practices predatory sales to cash in on FOMO. Or if you subscribe for one month it’s an auto renewing subscription. Or that the best rates are if you sign up for a year. It’s weird for a not-for-profit structure to do billing like this

Mullvad doesn’t play games. A flat price and you get what you pay for.

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[-] DARbarian@fedia.io 44 points 4 days ago

AirVPN, IVPN, Mullvad, Windscribe

[-] kbal@fedia.io 36 points 4 days ago

The requirement for port forwarding narrows that down to AirVPN and Windscribe, which is an unfortunately small set of choices.

[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 15 points 4 days ago

What exactly does port forwarding do and why is it better for torrenting like I've heard? I've been using Mullvad for a couple of years now but if I could get faster torrent download speeds that would be great

[-] kbal@fedia.io 37 points 4 days ago

Port forwarding lets you connect with other hosts peer-to-peer which a VPN would otherwise block if both sides are behind one. For torrents you'd get more peers (which doesn't matter if you're just downloading the latest and most popular stuff) and be able to seed more effectively.

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[-] Nursery2787@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

One port must be open for a torrent connection to work.

Down: open, Seed: Open = instant connection Down:closed, seed: open = connection takes a second to work Down open: seed closed = down has to wait for seed to renounce to trackers. A few minutes to an hour. Down closed: seed closed = no connection

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[-] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Mullvad, IVPN and ~~Nym~~ (not tested with audits yet, do not trust as much as the other two).

For clearnet browsing. PIA, AirVPN and Windscribe for torrenting. Windscribe and PIA are probably good for either but this is my classification, take it as you will

[-] sonalder@lemmy.ml 38 points 4 days ago

I agree on this with the exception of PIA.

  • Marketing is BS like most VPN
  • Company is based in the USA
  • They do analytics
  • You cannot register "anonymously"

It's not the worst VPN you could choose but there is better options.

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[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

PIA user here. It gets the job done

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[-] droolio@feddit.uk 30 points 4 days ago

Still using Private Internet Access (PIA).

Honestly, dunno why they've fallen out of fashion due to the FUD about being owned by an unsavoury parent company, but the most important matter to me is if they keep logs, which they don't. One of the few VPN companies tested on this, in court, and in a recent audit. Plus still extremely cheap (if you go for 3yr+3mo).

Port forwarding works with with this docker NAS stack. Doesn't use gluetun, but there's a specialised docker-wireguard-pia container as part of the stack, with a script that handles port changes. Been flawless.

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[-] zedgeist@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just throwing in another voice for PIA. Their corporate owners may be questionable, but I've been with them since before they sold out and have never heard a peep from my ISP for seeding terabytes of torrents. They don't keep logs, and they are audited to prove it regularly.

EDIT: They also have port forwarding, but not for every exit server.

[-] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi

If you just want the tunnel encryption you can try hosting a VPN on your own home network. It's what I do since I don't need to spoof my location.

You are asking in the piracy community so I'm assuming you're also using it to torrent (which a home VPN won't help with) but you didn't specifiy so I'm not sure

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I thought about publishing a Terraform module one time that spins up a cheap VPS, installs OpenVPN and then gives you a config with a certificate. You could run it for just a few hours at a time, and use destroy when you're done. But then I got really bored because I have ADHD.

[-] nickiam2@aussie.zone 3 points 3 days ago

I've used AirVPN for this exact setup and it works great. The port forwarding is static and doesn't change once setup. I switched to proton because it was convenient, I was already paying for ProtonMail et all, so I dropped the extra VPN subscription when it renewed.

[-] str33k@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

I'll add another recommendation for Windscribe. I've had a lifetime subscription since 2017 and have never had issues. I use it for normal internet usage pretty much daily and the occasional torrenting.

[-] shut@lemmy.pt 7 points 3 days ago

What’s wrong with NordVPN?

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

Mostly misleading ads

[-] land@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago

If you mainly do torrenting, AirVPN is a good option. I have recently moved away from ProtonVPN; it’s too expensive.

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