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[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Almost all people have some need (depending on the definition) for physical intimacy. Not just men.

That said, people saying men need a therapist aren't saying a therapist would help men and a therapist would authentically be in their best self interest (unless you are extremely patronizing). They're saying a therapist would fix them, because men need fixing. Its not out of some genuine desire to make men happier.

What we really need to say is men need re-education. Because it is primarily men that are fucking up the world.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Maybe liberals need to take a pro suicide stance on men? Starting in school ideally to make it easy. Because of we are inherently bad what other choice is there when you are not welcome in any liberal group? This is kind of sarcasm. But I really am out of ideas. When rhe left won't see you as any different then musknor tate regardless of their views then there is no hope.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

I'm not a liberal. I'm also a man myself. I know you were just being a bit of an antagonistic shitposter, but I would not advocate for suicide obviously. But I've already proposed a fairly radical solution of just having fewer male babies in the first place, though as a solution to a different problem: men are romantically lonely, women are not romantically lonely.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Suicide solves the problem sooner.

[-] stinerman@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah my fucking battle of testing software and doing deep dives on bugs.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 8 months ago

Uhm, having someone care for you is not a "pathological mother figure".

People need this. Men need this. Asking for care is the most normal thing a person can do.

And then if something is actually wrong, there is a therapist.

[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 0 points 8 months ago

Why don’t they go ask for care from other men and stop exploiting women for it?

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago

Why do you consider such relationships inherently exploitative? Healthy relationships include women caring about men, and vice versa, in various ways.

Besides, cultural norms and stereotypes commonly prevent men from seeking emotional support and being vulnerable around other men. While it can be said that some men have built this system to begin with, those are not necessarily the same men who struggle from it, and this conflict is hard to resolve. Also, romantic relationships commonly offer the highest level of openness about someone's feelings, and most couples are hetero, hence, women interacting with men.

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

I think the point being made is that often women are called upon to do emotional labour by men who are often only acquaintances who look at them as resources that should be on the cultural hook to dispense emotional intimacy. A lot of women are fed up with the gendered nature of that expectation because you have a lot of men taking of that resource but not seeing it as being something they should actively be doing too and that their lack of reciprocation and participation in that space is a problem.

The fact that cultural norms prevent men from seeking solace from other men is a problem not just because it's root lies in a lot of homophobia but because it creates both a category of gendered work for women and isolates men from their peers. Women are often pressured into that role which means if they don't want to perform that function for any reason they can meet resistance as that emotional intimacy can be treated or assumed as being mandatory.

Nor is it a good idea to lay all your problems at the feet of an intimate partner regardless of gender. They have a lot of investment in you generally and it is easier to talk with them but they are generally ill equipped to shoulder all of your problems because they lack emotional distance to set you right if you are going astray. They often have other investments in you as well which means they cannot always tell it to you straight because if you disagree or react poorly they might lose you or jeopardize life goals and plans.

Being approachable and available to provide support should be a genderless issue with neither automatic expectation of providing or expected coldness laid at the feet of anyone.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure, here I strongly agree, and I have no idea who could downvote such a statement.

It's just that this conversation took quite a weird tangent (as in "men exploit women, why don't you fuck off"), and I felt I should set it straight with my last comment.

Supporting your partner should absolutely be a genderless thing, and it's not right to just leave it out to women. Women need and deserve just as much gentle care and support as men; failing to recognize that will not lead to any good.

I was mostly speaking out against the original response on the screenshot, but the original post from that same screenshot isn't right or fair to anyone, either. Women should not be forced into the psychological support role.

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