Luigi Mangione Wants a Laptop in Jail So He Can Review '15,000 Pages' of Evidence : luigimangione

[-] Atronin@sopuli.xyz 70 points 1 week ago

I'm sure they'll be very cooperative and fair with their approach to the case, especially while Luigi's lawyer is constantly mentioning how the prosecution is obstructing their work in every way they can.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 week ago

Mangione's jailmate at MDC, Sean "Diddy" Combs, was granted access to a laptop in December to review discovery in his case; the hip hop mogul is accused of sex trafficking by federal prosecutors.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago

The discovery information includes more than 15,000 pages of information and 800 GB of data, per the filing.

Meanwhile they're letting rape kits rot in some locker in some room that hasn't had a light turned on ever since the only employee that has a key retired 3 years ago

No number of gigabytes can make up for the fact that Luigi isn't the guy who shot the guy

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

I can't say if he was involved or not but I fully agree that the shooter's eyes look nothing like Luigi, the jackets and backpacks don't match and the image they showed the public of Luigi smiling at the counter of some shop was 3 miles away from the shooting. He isn't the guy who pulled the trigger.

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

The accused have a right under the Constitution to review and challenge the evidence against them. In the modern world that evidence is in a digital format. It's completely reasonable that Luigi should have access to a computer to review the evidence against him. It doesn't need to have internet access and he doesn't necessarily need to have it in his cell. He can review the evidence in the prison library while supervised buy prison staff.

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[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago

I’m honestly not sure. They arrested a buff Italian American who was justifiably unhappy with the us healthcare system, but I don’t know if it’s the right one.

I don’t trust cops not to plant evidence, so everything they report they found on him is moot for me; the eyebrows don’t look the same to me (though both are bushy); and there’s a markedly different level of planning and professionalism that went into the shooting and the purported escape plan.

Regarding the organizational differences: he 3d prints an untraceable gun and then brings it with him over state lines!? If he thinks he’ll need a gun after the fact, just make another, he’s literally got (access to) a printer. It’s probably smarter to use a different design or just get a normal gun, just don’t use it for the shooting. It’s wild to me that he went to all the trouble of getting an untraceable weapon, only to not use the most significant benefit of that by dumping the weapon at/close to the scene. What was the point? They don’t keep ballistic signatures of registered guns on file unless they’ve already been implicated in a crime, so if you plan to keep the gun anyway, just use that.

Of course, he could have panicked and/or gone into shock afterwards and scuppered his plan. That’s not impossible or even super unlikely, which is why I’m not sure one way or the other. Though I really don’t see a match on the eyebrows

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago

I think, frankly, it’s fair to point out that an intelligent engineer thinking about doing this sort of thing would almost certainly devise a way to destroy the printed gun after the fact, and that such a thing could be easily done in a half hour with a MAPP torch and a spare bottle or two. It’s resin. It will melt. And any remaining metallic parts can be easily ditched in some random storm drain at some point in the hundreds of miles between where the adjustment occurred and where the other Mario brother was arrested. And to conveniently keep a manifesto on your person in that context just seems comically implausible. Based on that, in addition to other data points, I am reasonably confident that he is in fact an innocent man being railroaded.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

And to conveniently keep a manifesto on your person in that context just seems comically implausible. Based on that, in addition to other data points, I am reasonably confident that he is in fact an innocent man being railroaded.

Honestly, I've been thinking along similar lines. None of this makes sense outside of a guy being railroaded.

[-] Genius@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago

A manifesto that praises the police

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago

And one that reads like someone who's trying too hard to sound smart, which isn't something actually smart people do, but apparently is how cops often sound in their reports

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

A manifesto that sounds like someone asked chatGPT to generate a short manifesto expressing displeasure at the American healthcare system

[-] monarch@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

I'm of the opinion that he's ethier being railroaded or they used something very illegal to find him.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah, 100% I think he would have a deadman’s switch on an online post for a manifesto, given his past. If he were planning to go completely underground without internet access, I don’t think he would have gone to a McDonald’s so soon afterwards. Again, he could have panicked, but by all accounts, he’d spent the last few months living rough, so that wouldn’t be a shock for him.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Right??? Who the fuck would keep a hard copy on hand…? Like… what…?

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

That's the part that bugs me the most. It's not just that he had a hard copy, it's not just that he had it on hand, it's that he had a hard copy on hand. The point of a manifesto isn't to let it sit in your car next to the murder weapon you used 3 days ago, the point is to have other people read it.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

He’s an apparently intelligent and articulate software engineer… and he keeps a hard copy… of his manifesto… on his person…? Knowing it would be wildly incriminating? Like, come on. Also, the tone and diction of “his” manifesto seems a liiiiiiiiiittle off to me compared to written correspondences he’s had with people since being imprisoned that have been posted online.

TL;DR I don’t buy what the NY DA is selling here, for a LOT of reasons.

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Thermite is cheap and easy to make. Melt a gun with half a pound of thermite and no one will know what it was before it was vaporized. Besides, if the gun was indeed 3D printed and had no finger prints or DNA on it, you could just drop it on top of the body and let the police have it. Better than getting caught with it a block away from the crime scene.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

All fair points. And it’s further illustrating the fact that something is very fucking fishy

[-] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 43 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure Luigi isn't reading this. So you can keep your imaginary conversations with him in your head if you like.

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

What I think about whether Luigi Mangione is guilty or not is that the health insurance industry is responsible for apocalyptic levels of suffering and death and literally everyone in the United States is a victim of AT LEAST the constant psychological torture of being programmed to value their wealth over their lives when every single one of them knows that it is an active choice by avaricious executives and shareholders to sacrifice their well-being and that of their families and loved ones for the continued wealth accumulation of those executives and shareholders not to mention the actual suffering and death that results of the deliberate, conscious, informed choice by those in power to withhold healthcare in order to extract profit from the most vulnerable at the cost of their very lives.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Nah, the video's super inconclusive.

Innocent.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

But you see, he kind of looks like another guy that was caught on a surveillance camera the same morning. Another guy, who was wearing visibly different clothes from the shooter

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

You've convinced me.

Dang it.

/s

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

Nah man, dude was at my place that night.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I want a laptop at Starbucks so I can review the two DMs from the girl who blocked me on OnlyFans.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 79 points 1 week ago

The thing is, he has a right to review evidence that's going to be used against him. If that cannot feasibly be done with boxes of paper, because of jail policies, then a laptop may be necessary.

Either that or the prosecution needs to clarify that some of the papers they provided as a Brady requirement are not going to be used in court. Because that's what this really is. The prosecution wants to spam the defense with a ton of documents to keep secret which ones they actually plan on using, which ones they actually think might be exculpatory. And in general judges give prosecutors a lot of latitude to do this because you can't be sure what you're going to use until the case actually gets to trial. But there does become a point when it's absurd and I think 15,000 pages is around that point.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

It would be really funny if they say no, but allow it in paper.

[-] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

It's 15000 pages of evidence for his alibi

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

How can there be 15,000 pages of evidence?

Even massive engineering projects have fewer pages of total documentation than that.

What could they possibly have that's 15,000 of actual information and not just superfluous attachments?