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[-] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 138 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I have no doubt the EU won't have much mercy for American corporations going* forward.

My phone REALLY wants me to type gong. Gong gong gong gong gong.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 103 points 2 weeks ago

bro be like

[-] univers3man@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Go ahead, this is a safe space. Get it out of your system.

[-] tacocatgoat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Gong gong, gonging gong gong!

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We don’t need no friends, allies or influence when we can be bullying, a child’s concept of tough, looking up to other dictators like Putin and Erdogan. Im sure all it will take is loud threats of widespread tariffs and a stable Genius who’s “great” at deals.

“Coincidentally” Apple might make sizable ~~bribes~~ independent donations to support the free and open re-election of The fuhrer

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[-] Jehuty@lemmy.ml 79 points 2 weeks ago

Hopefully this actually leads to something lasting, but I don't have high hopes considering how Europe is getting dragged atm

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 62 points 2 weeks ago

I mean the EU made them allow app stores but Apple made a complete mockery of them by requiring their rubber stamp and charging "only" 27% fee and the EU is just letting them get away with that so yeah, I have little faith.

[-] Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago

There isn't really any getting away with. If what Apple does is within the law then the EU can't prevent it. I'm sure somebody is looking into preventing Apple from doing it, but propper legislation takes time.

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[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe Nintendo, Sony and MS will be next?

I want a 3rd party store on all my consoles, why can’t I?

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

Not skilled enough hackerboy 😉🫶🏻

Mod your damn consoles!

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago

While I don’t think people get consoles without homebrew being unlocked first it is still better for homebrew to be unlocked on day 1

It will also give the possibility of open development

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[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 weeks ago

Finally. We all about to see better prices and more features. If this ends in lower app store fees, its a massive win for every app company in the world!

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

Most every major company tries to build a walled garden. Apple does so via apps and services, services like netflix do by making sure you can’t watch shows on any other service (arr!), or even something as simple as cordless tools that have proprietary batteries and chargers where it gets really expensive to have to buy different batteries.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago

Destroys their entire business model 😂

[-] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 67 points 2 weeks ago

Their entire business model has been to focus on systems that lock people in and exclude people who are out. None of this is done for security or as a means for the best possible customer experience. It's done for the sole purpose of forcing income they couldn't achieve with innovation alone. I've heard so many tech reviewers and even my own personal friends who say they would love to switch if only to try something else. They say they'd switch today if their friends, family and coworkers wouldn't get mad at them. Apples only real innovation over the past ten years has been built in social pressure.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 weeks ago

This is why the only Apple product I've owned was a free iPad. It feels claustrophobic to be trapped in their ecosystem.

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[-] Earflap@reddthat.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

Trying to get my family to use signal and its like pulling teeth. "Dont you want to be on the same messaging app as everyone", "sure but you're the one with a problem"

Mate, I only have a problem because of you!

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[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 weeks ago

Well, they did get them to switch to USB-C, so I'm not holding my breath, but I do hope that this will lead to more interoperability. I'm tired of Apple making Android/non-Apple users feel like second-class citizens.

[-] CoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

I have to agree. Switching to USB-C is a big step, but I doubt Apple will become more interoperable unless they are forced to.

[-] Repelle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I still don’t think that one was actually the EU’s doing. Macs got USB C before most PCs, iPads had it for a long time before iPhones, and iPhones switched over 10 years after Apple announced lightning saying it would be their connector “for the next decade”

[-] T156@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Apple got an special exemption the last time the EU standardised the port to Micro-USB.

The writing would have been on the wall for them. Especially as thunderbolt 3+ uses the USB-C connector, there was no guarantee the EU would give them exception again, and lightning is almost certainly not designed to handle the wattage needed to charge a Mac.

But otherwise, if not compelled, I doubt that Apple would have carried it over to the mobile devices. The timing is fortuitous, but likely because Apple has a little leeway before the EU forbade their devices/fined them for not following the law.

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[-] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago

I was so hyped when the EU pressured Apple into allowing external software on Apple devices.

Apple killed that hype making the change EU only, problem is I’m encapsulated in the walled garden with an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Air Tags, HomePods.

Thinking of getting a second phone Android based to partially-escape the garden but if I ditch my iPhone all hell will break loose network wise.

[-] firepenny@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I was you up until 3 months ago. I went nuclear and focused on the more open source side of android and have been so much happier for it. Sold everything to afford the changes.

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[-] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

ditch the homepod and don't replace it with any other spyware, and replace the rest as needed.

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[-] RainbowHedgehog@lemm.ee 20 points 2 weeks ago

I thought that “walled-garden” was for security and privacy in the case of Apple? I always relied on them for that.

[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago

Nope, it was so they could take the 30% cut of every penny that is spent on one of their platforms, and also so that it would be extremely inconvenient to leave their ecosystem since doing so would mean leaving behind most of your data.

[-] emogu@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

It’s both of those things. Just like Sony, Xbox, Nintendo, Steam, etc. They take 30% in exchange for exposure, security, and a reliable platform. It’s a trade off. Worth it to some, not to others.

[-] dan@upvote.au 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Steam doesn't belong in that list because you're free to use whatever game store you want on a PC. No computers are limited to only using Steam.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 39 points 2 weeks ago

Not even their own hardware, the steam deck, was in any way closed down. Quite the opposite actually.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

And now SteamOS is being used in other platforms, so you can use the software on other hardware vendors if you like

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

Of those steam is the only one that doesn't force you to buy software through them on their own hardware. Obviously they would like you to, but you are free to buy elsewhere.

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[-] Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

You can certainly argue that more control makes iPhones safer, since its harder to get malicious software on the phone. But Apple is also abusing their control for their own gain.

You could also argue that locking you in a room would be safer than letting you walk freely out in the world. But I don't we want that either.

[-] FrChazzz@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

The security approach was what first drew me to Apple back in like 2005. The whole focus on proprietary software that resulted in practically zero malware was definitely worth me having to do file-type conversions on documents and all that crap to keep up with people on Windows. And I loved it. And I kept adding every device and loving how seamless they all interact with each other.

But then there’s that shadow side you refer to. The gradual dumbing down of software, the constant hand-holding. The walled garden began to feel like a lock-in.

My last new Mac purchase was in 2011. I still use that machine. But I was not getting security updates and other things I use were leaving me behind so I decided to give Linux a try. Chose Ubuntu and the hardware was suddenly like new again. Apple makes beautiful machines but waste them on some increasingly basic software. My Linux-run Macs have made me fall in love with computers all over again.

If this somehow results in me being able to run like Graphene on my iPhone in a few years, or even connect my Apple Watch to a non-Apple phone, I will be pretty excited.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

I dunno, are meals provided in the locked room? The world is a pretty fucking awful place right now.

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[-] max_dryzen@mander.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

Its primary utility is shoring up their image as the brand where 'everything just works' and op/interop is a thoughtless zero friction process. Compromise that and you lose normie, bigtime. So everyone gets locked in...and you get the walled prison basketball court

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Honestly, fuck security. I want every app on my phone to phone home to other malicious app stores with all my personal data. I want them to install backdoor VPNs that tunnel all my data to a man in the middle. I want them to allow me to jailbreak my phone so I can install permanent rootkits, that way adversaries can reload their botnets even after I factory reset my phone.

On the real, i appreciate Apple for what they've done so far. If this happens, ill have to move back to GrapheneOS. Which is fine, but its just so much more time that I have to spend on making the phone work versus working on the phone.

We should force the entire EU to mandate GrapheneOS on all phones. Well see how much they enjoy the experience.

[-] emogu@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

As a tinkerer, stuff like Linux and Graphene are right up my alley. But as a dude with a job and family I just don’t have the time anymore. Apple is far from perfect but their security/privacy efforts are the lesser of the evils for almost no extra time/thinking required from me so they’re the ideal option for now. Really hope all these laws don’t muck that up.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 25 points 2 weeks ago

Should you stay with using the Apple app store. It absolutely nothing bad about this decision it gives people the option to use an alternate app store if they want but it doesn't force anyone to.

The amount of bad faith arguments in this thread are disturbing for supposedly informed tech savvy people.

[-] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's so weird. I can kind of understand this level of ignorance on other platforms, but here? The platform a majority of the people actively sought out because they saw what happens when a walled gardens starts turning against its users?

At the very least, I would've expected better arguments than "I don't want this, so I oppose other's from having that option."

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[-] dan@upvote.au 11 points 2 weeks ago

I kinda agree with your sentiment. If I'm spending $1000+ on a device, I want to truly own it and do whatever I want with it. Unfortunately people have gotten very used to companies like Apple telling them what they can and can't do, and Apple artificially restricting things (like giving first-party apps special permissions that third-party apps can't get) so they make more money. It's not great that this is so widespread now. At least there's people like Louis Rossman that still care about these things.

If the manufacturer wants to have an "easy mode" where they limit what can be done, like what Apple does today, that's totally fine. Just don't force it onto everyone.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thats the thing. I buy apple products for that sole reason rather than use a GrapheneOS device.

I want it locked down. I want it immutable. I want it matching every other device so im not fingerprinted. I want it backing up to the cloud with end to end encryption while syncing with all my other devices. I want it to airplay to my TV. I want it to be a webcam for my macbook. I want it to hold some health data while keeping it out of prying eyes. I want iMessage to end to end encrypt my text messages to other iMessage users.

Why bother getting an iOS device if thats not what you're after? Their products are some of the most secure devices, with the longest support life. I save money by holding an iPhone for 6 years, versus 3 years with an Android phone.

Listen, I LOVE grapheneOS. Its just not a complete ecosystem yet.

[-] dan@upvote.au 14 points 2 weeks ago

I want it locked down. I want it immutable. I want it matching every other device so im not fingerprinted.

That's totally fine... But it should be optional, so that people who want to take full advantage of their device (instead of being restricted) can do so.

I save money by holding an iPhone for 6 years, versus 3 years with an Android phone

There's no reason you couldn't hold an Android phone for just as long. Samsung and Google both offer 7 years of security updates.

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[-] Halliphax@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You’re getting downvoted but how much would you like to bet that once the walled garden is down/third party apps can be installed; we’ll suddenly see “security related apps” installed by some EU law.

If I sound paranoid there’s already an app on Android that scans the content of your photo library (iPhones have this too but it’s only enabled during parental controls, Androids is stealth-enabled 24/7).

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[-] MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

This is very bad. Their walled garden is perfect for the young, elderly, and stupid.

Hopefully some competitor arrives to replace them.

[-] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago

Apple is free to sell phones where walled gardens are allowed. You're also free to stay in the walled garden, Apple lied to you.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 27 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah because using Android is so difficult

[-] forrgott@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago

If but perfect you mean perfectly exploitative, sure. The walled garden issue has nothing to do with ease of use my friend; in fact, the whole point is to do the opposite - make anything outside the wall impossibly hard to access or use.

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

No one is forcing you do use apps outside of the app store. It's about choice.

If such a competitor emerged they'd not be able to trade in the EU, given the size of the EU economy that ain't happening.

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[-] LostWon@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yay! Please stick with this, EU! I hope this spreads globally. 🥂

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