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[-] LostWon@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yay! Please stick with this, EU! I hope this spreads globally. 🥂

[-] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 138 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have no doubt the EU won't have much mercy for American corporations going* forward.

My phone REALLY wants me to type gong. Gong gong gong gong gong.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

When apple announced messaging would be cross platform nobody else adopted it. Any idea why?

Oh yeah one reason: Apple won’t be forced to open up iMessage by EU (2024)

[-] ledix@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

In the eu literally nobody is using iMessage, so it doesn't fall under dma laws.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 103 points 1 week ago

bro be like

[-] univers3man@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Go ahead, this is a safe space. Get it out of your system.

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[-] Jehuty@lemmy.ml 79 points 1 week ago

Hopefully this actually leads to something lasting, but I don't have high hopes considering how Europe is getting dragged atm

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 62 points 1 week ago

I mean the EU made them allow app stores but Apple made a complete mockery of them by requiring their rubber stamp and charging "only" 27% fee and the EU is just letting them get away with that so yeah, I have little faith.

[-] Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

There isn't really any getting away with. If what Apple does is within the law then the EU can't prevent it. I'm sure somebody is looking into preventing Apple from doing it, but propper legislation takes time.

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[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago

Maybe Nintendo, Sony and MS will be next?

I want a 3rd party store on all my consoles, why can’t I?

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

Most every major company tries to build a walled garden. Apple does so via apps and services, services like netflix do by making sure you can’t watch shows on any other service (arr!), or even something as simple as cordless tools that have proprietary batteries and chargers where it gets really expensive to have to buy different batteries.

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[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago

Finally. We all about to see better prices and more features. If this ends in lower app store fees, its a massive win for every app company in the world!

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago

Destroys their entire business model 😂

[-] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 67 points 1 week ago

Their entire business model has been to focus on systems that lock people in and exclude people who are out. None of this is done for security or as a means for the best possible customer experience. It's done for the sole purpose of forcing income they couldn't achieve with innovation alone. I've heard so many tech reviewers and even my own personal friends who say they would love to switch if only to try something else. They say they'd switch today if their friends, family and coworkers wouldn't get mad at them. Apples only real innovation over the past ten years has been built in social pressure.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

This is why the only Apple product I've owned was a free iPad. It feels claustrophobic to be trapped in their ecosystem.

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[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago

Well, they did get them to switch to USB-C, so I'm not holding my breath, but I do hope that this will lead to more interoperability. I'm tired of Apple making Android/non-Apple users feel like second-class citizens.

[-] CoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I have to agree. Switching to USB-C is a big step, but I doubt Apple will become more interoperable unless they are forced to.

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[-] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago

I was so hyped when the EU pressured Apple into allowing external software on Apple devices.

Apple killed that hype making the change EU only, problem is I’m encapsulated in the walled garden with an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Air Tags, HomePods.

Thinking of getting a second phone Android based to partially-escape the garden but if I ditch my iPhone all hell will break loose network wise.

[-] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

ditch the homepod and don't replace it with any other spyware, and replace the rest as needed.

[-] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

ditch the homepod and don't replace it with any other spyware

Family has gotten use to the HomePod being around, makes simple things like settings timers for cooking or other related task a bit easier.

And yeah, I’m aware it’s spyware. I wanted a “smart-home” and essentially landed on Apple products.

[-] cute_noker@feddit.dk 1 points 6 days ago

What is homepod? Like Amazon Alexa?

[-] desktop_user 2 points 6 days ago

yeah, and if you want something that doesn't spy on you your only real option is home assistant.

[-] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Home assistant is great and apart from voice recognition, its infinitely more powerful than any corporate home automation product. Voice is tough to do locally and on low powered hardware, but its getting there.

[-] desktop_user 0 points 6 days ago

they have something that claims to be able to do it, I haven't personally verified it, but generic on device voice recognition has gotten pretty decent.

[-] firepenny@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I was you up until 3 months ago. I went nuclear and focused on the more open source side of android and have been so much happier for it. Sold everything to afford the changes.

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[-] RainbowHedgehog@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

I thought that “walled-garden” was for security and privacy in the case of Apple? I always relied on them for that.

[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 70 points 1 week ago

Nope, it was so they could take the 30% cut of every penny that is spent on one of their platforms, and also so that it would be extremely inconvenient to leave their ecosystem since doing so would mean leaving behind most of your data.

[-] emogu@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

It’s both of those things. Just like Sony, Xbox, Nintendo, Steam, etc. They take 30% in exchange for exposure, security, and a reliable platform. It’s a trade off. Worth it to some, not to others.

[-] dan@upvote.au 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Steam doesn't belong in that list because you're free to use whatever game store you want on a PC. No computers are limited to only using Steam.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 39 points 1 week ago

Not even their own hardware, the steam deck, was in any way closed down. Quite the opposite actually.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

And now SteamOS is being used in other platforms, so you can use the software on other hardware vendors if you like

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[-] Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

You can certainly argue that more control makes iPhones safer, since its harder to get malicious software on the phone. But Apple is also abusing their control for their own gain.

You could also argue that locking you in a room would be safer than letting you walk freely out in the world. But I don't we want that either.

[-] FrChazzz@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

The security approach was what first drew me to Apple back in like 2005. The whole focus on proprietary software that resulted in practically zero malware was definitely worth me having to do file-type conversions on documents and all that crap to keep up with people on Windows. And I loved it. And I kept adding every device and loving how seamless they all interact with each other.

But then there’s that shadow side you refer to. The gradual dumbing down of software, the constant hand-holding. The walled garden began to feel like a lock-in.

My last new Mac purchase was in 2011. I still use that machine. But I was not getting security updates and other things I use were leaving me behind so I decided to give Linux a try. Chose Ubuntu and the hardware was suddenly like new again. Apple makes beautiful machines but waste them on some increasingly basic software. My Linux-run Macs have made me fall in love with computers all over again.

If this somehow results in me being able to run like Graphene on my iPhone in a few years, or even connect my Apple Watch to a non-Apple phone, I will be pretty excited.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I dunno, are meals provided in the locked room? The world is a pretty fucking awful place right now.

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[-] MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

This is very bad. Their walled garden is perfect for the young, elderly, and stupid.

Hopefully some competitor arrives to replace them.

[-] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

Apple is free to sell phones where walled gardens are allowed. You're also free to stay in the walled garden, Apple lied to you.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 27 points 1 week ago

Yeah because using Android is so difficult

[-] forrgott@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago

If but perfect you mean perfectly exploitative, sure. The walled garden issue has nothing to do with ease of use my friend; in fact, the whole point is to do the opposite - make anything outside the wall impossibly hard to access or use.

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No one is forcing you do use apps outside of the app store. It's about choice.

If such a competitor emerged they'd not be able to trade in the EU, given the size of the EU economy that ain't happening.

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