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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 191 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Watched it. The big takeaway for me came with this moment: the crowd starts chanting "Bernie! Bernie!" and Bernie stops them and says "NO! Not Bernie! I got bad news for you-- It's you!"

He's trying to get progressive people to run for office, any office, every office, wherever they can. I think it's probably the best possible play at the moment.

E: credit to Match!!@pawb.social for the correction on the quote

[-] b161 25 points 2 days ago

Americans have been so brainwashed by Hollywood, Jesus and superhero stories that they think one hero is going rise up to save them all.

No one is coming to save us. We only have each other.

[-] match@pawb.social 31 points 3 days ago

"Not Bernie! I got bad news for you - it's YOU!"

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago
[-] match@pawb.social 20 points 3 days ago

of course! i was there, it was pretty fresh on my mind. i took public transit there and back, every bus and lightrail was packed with people talking about the rally

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

Wanted to add that I'm doing my part to answer the call. What about you, reader?

[-] mjhelto@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

My passive SI won't let me run for any office, but it also allows me to donate to a lot of candidates cause saving money seems pointless. God speed to the younger, more hopeful generations in their attempt to right this ship. As an old millennial, I don't have any fight left in me, but I have money and a decent income.

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[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

34,000 patriots - a salute of respect to everyone in that picture.

Keep going! It's working - people are ready to march, despite what the mass media is reporting:

Link to full article from WagingNonViolence.org

[-] MyDogLovesMe@lemmy.world 89 points 3 days ago

YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE!

DONT STOP!

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

This. Build an army, 10 million strong! Waves upon waves! Let them try to contend with that!

[-] UnexpectedBehavior@lemmy.world 111 points 3 days ago
[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Unless you change how elections work and how politics are funded a new party in the US will always be dead on arrival.

A Bernie - AOC party would face immense hurdles as they lack the infrastructure and the funds the Democratic party has in place. On top of that corporate and oligarchic interests would all make sure to put in enough funding to ensure they will fail.

I love the energy but you have to be realistic. Their best bet would probably be to reform the Democratic Party from the inside.

[-] WorkersCorps@sopuli.xyz 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Absolutely agreed. First thing we have to try is to make the party reform themselves. AOC and Bernie have the formula already - the DNC needs a massive push. Like a concerted pressure campaign.

It's not going to be easy but fighting a lawless MAGA with Dems who seem to be stuck in 2012 would be much more difficult. At least now we have some hope because at least these two are out there building the support.

[-] BoulevardBlvd 27 points 3 days ago

Not true. The system suppresses third parties. It doesn't stop them. Parties fall in the US just like everywhere else. When was the last time you spoke to a US whig? Or a Jeffersonian Republican? The system in place when those parties fell was exactly the system we have now. It just takes a massive popular effort and a period of severe political turmoil where the country is heavily divided along party lines and a large portion of the country feels entirely disenfranchised (ideally about a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 split between the two parties and people fed up or greater). Happened at the revolution. Happened at the civil war. Happened at the great depression. Guess where we are now? Don't let yourself fall for the lie that the party is eternal. We're on the knive's edge now. It's time to push

Despite what the media wants us to think, both parties are wildly unpopular with their own voters and are primed for collapse. Literally all of the conditions historically needed for social revolution have been met

[-] gashead76@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Don't let yourself fall for the lie that the party is eternal.

Exactly. More people need to let go of the idea that the people cannot affect massive change like this. Of course change will never happen if you don't believe it's possible.

[-] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I think this is probably the only time a whole third party could spring up. The heavy handed approach of oligarchs has caused this.

Reforming the party is the same as making a third one because what you're reforming is oligarch interests. Corpo Dems don't want that. That's calling for a party split

[-] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It either happens in the mid-terms or never. If progressives win big, you have a chance of changing DNC leadership.

[-] subarctictundra@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Perhaps if they piggybacked some sort of strike movement and/or cooperated with trade unions (plus focused only on a few seats initially)? That's what the Labour party did in the UK.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I hope you will manage to build an actually-social democrat party.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think for name recognition and not scaring off Americans who run in fear from the s word, maybe it should be called the Progressive Party?

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fuck their fear. We need to stop molding our identity around what old conservatives think. The youth aren’t scared of socialism, and they’re the people we need to reach. We need a party that will stand up for us, and that starts by not neutering ourselves to appease our opposition.

[-] deeferg@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Will just getting the youth be enough to win the election though? You need as many voters as possible for that, and to not think strategically and in a way "play the game" then you're already dooming the party to fail.

If you start a party called "the socialist party" in the US, that would be the easiest attack spot for both parties to go after. Just doesn't make sense to start on your back foot.

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[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

All splitting the left would accomplish is assuring Republicans never lose again. It's the inevitable result of a First Past the Post voting system.

The more effective way of doing things is to primary all the corporate Dems and reform the Democratic Party from within. AOC did it in her district and there's no reason it can't work in others.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 14 points 3 days ago

The Republicans are never going to lose again anyway. I am strongly suspicious of the outcome of the last election; there's enough evidence to warrant at least an independent investigation of the voting software in states with abnormal down-ballot voting. The Democrats no longer have a shred of power to pursue any opposition; they have that up when Kamala walked away from the discrepancies and Biden made no effort to investigate in his remaining time.

I do agree on principle that, with FPTP voting, you need to vote strategically for the least bad person who has any chance of winning. The game has changed, now, though. Republicans have stacked the courts and gerrymandered their states, ensuring no chance to investigate attempts to defraud elections. The Democrat party has been utterly impotent in combating this, and demonstrated an appalling incompetence at ensuring the the system remains incorrupted and uninfluenced by foreign interests. They've actively participated in Corporate influence with Citizens United and the Patriot Act. I voted Hillary, but fuck her for supporting that shit.

If there's a next election, and if there's a party with reasonable polling numbers comparable to the D party, I might vote for them. Otherwise, I'll vote D again.

But: the time to split or reform the party is now. Not at the general election, but now, while there's time to lay the groundwork and build momentum. Because overthrowing a dictator is going to take a lot of momentum, and the D party has none of it.

[-] match@pawb.social 4 points 3 days ago

the old Democrats can get behind the new leftists then. they've shown their cowardice plenty already, they can kowtow to the left instead of the right for once

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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 days ago

Now's the best time. Maybe even have a few candidates in for the next election cycle.

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[-] scottrepreneur@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Dump first past the post voting! We need non-spoiler alternatives

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[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

Hopefully they ditch that dying party called DNC.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

I must be missing something because … how does this matter if we can’t trust the election results?

[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Which? The recent or future? For the recent, it doesn't matter. It has happened. For the future, it needs to be overwhelming. The opposing candidate to Trump need to win by a yuge margin, something where it is hard for the right wing captured media can lie about. Where people can FEEL it off. Pictures like this validates people's perception of election results.

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[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago

That's a small army! Keep it up, people! Never let off the pressure!

[-] Bieren@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago
[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 34 points 3 days ago

I'm unsure if you realize how significant 34,000 people in one state capitol is.

All major protests and organizing in the past century took a decade of this work. This is 3 months into Trump's term.

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[-] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago

More of this energy please. Also more of this energy before the election would have been great.

[-] Marleyinoc@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

I'm assuming they counted the people outside the fence too, because there were a bunch of us that decided the line was too long to make it in before he spoke. And so the areas outside the fence looked this way too.

[-] ViscloReader@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago
[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

If Bernie or AOC were billionaires, this would matter.

It's not going to matter anywhere but in local politics, but for the locals that manage to elect actual progressives, I envy you.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is so disappointing. So much wasted energy, so Bernie & AOC can do as they always do and redirect activism to the party to die.

I hope at least this helps people make connections, and realize how strong our numbers really are.

We don’t need the party, and we don’t need to wait til elections to get this boot off of our neck. We can overwhelm with our numbers, and put a stop to this now.

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