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[-] crowsby@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago

Well shucks the core definition of the word "mercenary" means one who is acting out of self-interest rather than loyalty. The only thing these MFs are going to do now is look for work.

[-] Aesculapius@kbin.social 53 points 2 years ago

There were many senior leaders on the flight: Prigozhin, Utkin (early founder, commander), Chekalov (economic & security leader), Makaryan, Propustin, Totmin, Matuseev (all various commanders). While this seems super dumb to have all these folks on the same flight at the same time, apparently they were. With this much senior leadership now suddenly gone, the Wagner group may be struggling to get their own house in order before they can take organizational action.

[-] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago

Wow I did not realize Utkin was on that flight. They really got all of them in shot. That flight basically had a sign on it saying “shoot me.”

[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

What an unfortunate accident 😓

[-] Sleo@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

Could they have been killed in other locations and the plane crashed to conveniently make a public narrative on how they're no longer alive? The bodies could have been loaded on thvle plane and crashed intentionally for all we know.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 13 points 2 years ago

Much more complicated than a suitcase bomb. Also if you were the pilot would you fly a bunch of dead guys? How do you think that ends for you?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Hold on, you keep loading those bodies. I need to go to the bathroom. I'll be right back!

[-] Sleo@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

There are ways.... Unmanned plane, pilot parachutes out, kamikaze pilot (dying to regain his honor for putin for a wrong done, 'you have stage 4 cancer! you do this, we'll take care of your family'....)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=i3EekrXlGHc&si=6JULV7vWYAzt4Htv

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 years ago

This is the same government where someone brought copies of the sims video game to a “bust of Ukrainian terrorists” to show they captured phones and sims.

I know it feels good to imagine a grand over-arching plan in the world, but most of the time humanity is lucky to hold a bake sale without problems.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't expect them to do literally anything. Wagner is now dispersed across Belarus, Russia and Africa; those in Belarus and Russia don't have their heavy equipment anymore (taken away after the coup). Their leadership is decapitated, the two most important people in the PMC are dead along with several other higher-ups. The coup from 2 months ago wasn't endorsed by the whole PMC, it's been estimated that Prigo had only around 8k people with him - so today you should expect even fewer to rebel.

The "best" they might be able to achieve is some terrorism. But they're not trained for terrorism, so for them it's probably best to keep their heads low.

[-] lasagna@programming.dev 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Who'd expect a band of former criminals reborn anew as war criminals to have any loyalty? So long as they get to be out there pillaging and raping they will be kept happy and as loyal as such a band could get.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

This is the second phase of Putin taking control of Wagner. Their response will very likely be to follow his orders so they don't join Prigozhin.

[-] mcc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Follow Putin's order to not join Prigozhin isn't very smart, but most people aren't.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Signing up with a notorious mercenary group was the original sin. Now it's just a fucked up game of frogger for them. The only smart move was to not play.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 14 points 2 years ago

Prigozhin shouldn’t have held his breath wondering when Vlad would strike, but he definitely should have flapped his arms after it happened.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

With not willing leader to take charge it is probably not going to happen, especially after Russia took most of their gear. They've had their chance and blew it.

[-] ebenixo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

The only winning that will come out of this war is that of the military industrial complex. Enjoy, neocons.

[-] RaineV1@kbin.social 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Russia's fascist leadership collapsing would absolutely be a good win to come out of this. Also, yeah, an invaded country fighting back should not be put on the same level as the world power trying to make it a vassal state/pseudo-Colony. Now its talking points about nazis and soon it'll be that anyone not Russian by blood doesn't belong there.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

anyone not Russian by blood doesn’t belong there 

Echoes of “undermench”… tell me again who were supposed to be the Nazis in this scenario? 

[-] FediMan@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 years ago

So correct me if I am wrong what you are asking is for ukraine to bend over and accept Putin's dick?

Throughout the "Special Military Operation" advocates have not explained how is it legitimate that Russia invades Ukraine due to Ukraine having a Nazi problem. Neo Nazis exist in some capacity in any country.

Whats more baffling is this seems like an excuse that is written post-hoc to suit the outcome. When there is no care taken to avoid civilian casualities one has to wonder if 12 year old children and their mothers who died were neo-nazis.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago

I'm very curious about what you think of WW2 and the invasion of other countries based on colonial expansion.

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