Wow, it only took The Guardian 25 years to figure that out
Take it from the former US Ambassador to Russia
… does Ukraine even get anything out of that? It doesn’t sound like Ukraine benefits in any way.
It’s like “here’s the deal: you just give me $1 million”
The benefit to Ukraine is that simply being at the table shows they're willing and Russia just keeps taking and taking, historically that ends one way.
Holy greedy, yes I understand he's a dictator, but c'mon!
The answer to that is giving Ukraine more and more support, weapons and material until Putin changed his tune. Or you play the sniveling coward and start negotiating these earnestly. We all know what path Donnie boy will take.
hes going to be laying more pressure on trump to force ukraine to give up.
The answer is for Europe to collectively get involved and annihilate every Russian within Ukraine's borders. Set up permanent EU bases on the Russian border. Offer a massive ransom and immunity for anyone in Russia who neutralizes Putin and his oligarchy. The mafia state must be destroyed, and a message needs to be sent to the US that Europe will come down on them hard if they attempt to use force on any allies. Fascists are bullies, and only learn their lesson through violence.
Trump does not control the military yet. He can replace leadership but I'd be willing to bet a majority of lifers in leadership would turn against him if he tried to invade Canada or Greenland within the next few years. Better to trigger a civil war now than allow the fascists to consolidate power and fill the military with loyalists.
Ukraine can't win without additional troops from other armies.
Saying "more aid" will affect that outcome is a propagandized lie just like when you people were saying Ukraine could retake Crimea.
Right now we're in the "sunk-cost" stage of our investment. We can keep sending Ukraine equipment to keep up the lie that they can win without additional troops. That will result in more money for the MIC, and more dead Ukrainians that would've otherwise surrendered.
The outcome will remain the same, because Ukraine cannot win without additional troops.
If you have a problem with this reality, then maybe you people should start arguing in favor of sending troops to Ukraine instead of just equipment. (you're not going to though, and this is part of why they don't get new troops and will lose the war as a result.)
And other countries can’t send actual troops because Putin will cry about NATO and threaten with WW3 and nukes
But everyone is saying Russia won't stop at Ukraine, so NATO is going to have to fight them either way.
People also said Ukraine shouldn't mine their borders with Russia because it would be seen as escalation.
Maybe you people are... wrong? Just, maybe?
Trump doesn't care, but on the other hand I really don't think he is a Russian asset.
Russia is playing their negotiating well. They have projected strength and total commitment to their claimed goals. They were able to do it, because of the diplomatic blunders by the Trump administration. Until now US have not said anything about Russian concessions. They were mentioned, but nothing specific.
On the other side, the Ukrainians will never accept anything close to what the Russians want. Even if America tries to force the conditions on them, they will still have some support from Europe.
Trump wants this. I mean, let's get serious, if he does it, he could legitimately expect the Nobel prize. I'm not even joking, if he does, he would be an idiot savant of peacemaking. It's highly unlikely though, but what is his way out?
Trump does not have the cards to force a peace deal, or the skills to negotiate one. Ukraine and Putin are simply too far apart to meet in the middle.
I'm convinced Trump is chasing the nobel peace prize because Obama has one and he's still butt hurt over it.
Only a cuck would concede anything to Putin, and Trump is king cuck.
Ukraine doesn't have much a choice because they're losing the war.
Part of losing a war is making concessions with the victor. Sorry you've been so propagandized to believe that it's impossible for Ukraine to lose.
The war is still being fought. No one has won.
Sigh.
Thats completely naive. Reality doesn't work like memes. People are dying, lives are being destroyed.
Definitely not skills. But both sides in the war want to have a strong start to the negotiation. Ukraine might give up Crimea officially for NATO membership. Russia will do anything that will look like they won.
I disagree. Ukraine is currently getting routed and they will announce their surrender this year if the US continues to withhold support.
The thing about war is that each death makes it harder to fight back. That results in more deaths, which makes it even harder, and hopefully you get the idea if you're not a useful idiot (sorry this last part needs to be said, but there's a lot of useful idiots running around these days.)
A country can be losing but in an existential conflict seem to rarely outright surrender. Ukraines position, while dire, is far stronger than the talibans after the US invasion of Iraq. 20 years later, they were still fighting and ultimately prevailed.
In my mind, this Inevitably is in ukraines future if allies don't continue to materially support Ukraine - either way the Russian occupation ultimately fails, the question is does Ukraine defend itself and remain a sovereign nation or do they fall and an insurgency later force it's reinstatement.
This comment is mentally challenged
Not really. You're probably not used to people having their own ideas, though.
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