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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[-] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 1 points 47 minutes ago

De facto yes, but not in law they don't - no

[-] Jakule17@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago

We don’t negotiate with terrorists my ass

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 55 points 12 hours ago

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

That’s not a good example, the US does not rely on the UK to defend itself.

[-] Podunk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

To that point, lets be real, even the united states doesnt really care about new mexico. Crimea in this argument has actual economic value.

Honestly any square foot of what russia has stolen from Ukraine has so much more economic value in comparison to new mexico, its hardly a realistic comparison.

I get what you are saying. But taos vs a warm water sea port is such an insane comparison. Its so much worse. Albuquerque? Let em have it. Santa fe? Please.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

And that's after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago

Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were upset with Democrat's handling of foreign affairs?

Clown country.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 20 minutes ago

both stein and rfk got around 800+k votes. though i suspect many of them R voters on the fence.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

I saw a mouse poop and its poop was saying that Ukraine should give territory and other things. I just ignored it and moved on my trail this morning. Can't let poop dictate world order.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 32 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Oh fuck off, Rubio.

[-] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 99 points 22 hours ago

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 22 points 21 hours ago

‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

That US never existed.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

it did in the movies, in here lies the problem.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

id probably just try to suck their dick or something

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 6 points 17 hours ago
[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago

don't rob my house I'm serious

[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 43 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

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[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago

I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

That’s not realistic unfortunately

[-] MasterOKhan@lemmy.ca 1 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

I think it’s more likely that Ukraine forfeits USA support and it’s probably for the best at this point. I hope CANZUK and Europe are willing and able to step up to pick up the slack.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky...

[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 23 hours ago

I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

If Zelenskyy tells the US to pound sand, the US cuts off military assistance and intelligence sharing again.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

Türkiye would love to be the nation that resolves this.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 279 points 1 day ago
[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 122 points 1 day ago

Yep, it's treason. And it's not just one guy.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

An entirely treasonous party.

If you support a traitor, you are a traitor.

The old Republican party is dead. Now it's only grifters and sycophants who are 100% willing to be treasonous to get what they want.

And so far the "land of the brave" is rolling over and letting them do it.

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 236 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

[-] Nunar@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago

Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we're going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 140 points 1 day ago

FUCK YOU LITTLE MARCO

shithead.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago

Has he proved his citizenship?

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[-] rylock@lemm.ee 120 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Turns out, Russia doesn't want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it's high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace."

  • Little Marco in a week
[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

"we've tried nothing and we're already out of ideas"

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 85 points 1 day ago

At the rate we're going, I wouldn't be surprised if trump drops all sanctions against Russia, and starts even funding them and providing them US weapons and Intel. I just wouldn't be surprised.

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I would assume they're getting the Intel already. The entire administration is comprised of Russian assets and useful idiots. Even if the info isn't being handed to them directly, all the existing security is being ripped to shreds and the teams that would counter any threats have officially been told to ignore Russia completely.

That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to publicly give Intel to Russia, but only because he's an idiot and assuming there is a low he won't sink to his always a losing bet.

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[-] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.

[-] bingBingBongBong@lemm.ee 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

His mom must cede territory in any piece deal

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 day ago

Likely true if we're being real but... You don't say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.

[-] troed@fedia.io 66 points 1 day ago

Ukraine is winning. That's why Trump has stopped supporting them on request from Putin.

If your news isn't telling you Ukraine are currently stronger on the battlefield, change news outlets.

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[-] ChaosInstructor@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

they are ok with ceding Texas...

[-] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 40 points 1 day ago

What a massive piece of shit

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