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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 306 points 4 months ago
[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 132 points 4 months ago

Yep, it's treason. And it's not just one guy.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

An entirely treasonous party.

If you support a traitor, you are a traitor.

The old Republican party is dead. Now it's only grifters and sycophants who are 100% willing to be treasonous to get what they want.

And so far the "land of the brave" is rolling over and letting them do it.

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 255 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 146 points 4 months ago

FUCK YOU LITTLE MARCO

shithead.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 53 points 4 months ago

Has he proved his citizenship?

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[-] rylock@lemm.ee 132 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Turns out, Russia doesn't want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it's high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace."

  • Little Marco in a week
[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 months ago

"we've tried nothing and we're already out of ideas"

[-] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 118 points 4 months ago

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 28 points 4 months ago

‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

That US never existed.

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[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 87 points 4 months ago

At the rate we're going, I wouldn't be surprised if trump drops all sanctions against Russia, and starts even funding them and providing them US weapons and Intel. I just wouldn't be surprised.

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 65 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I would assume they're getting the Intel already. The entire administration is comprised of Russian assets and useful idiots. Even if the info isn't being handed to them directly, all the existing security is being ripped to shreds and the teams that would counter any threats have officially been told to ignore Russia completely.

That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to publicly give Intel to Russia, but only because he's an idiot and assuming there is a low he won't sink to his always a losing bet.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised if we're already in a slow rollout for him to go public with support for Russia. The deal could be that Russia and US split Ukraine in some way, whether it stays as "Ukraine" with installed leadership or blatantly annexed.

The problem is the maga cult and the Republicans in congress who would support it. The maga masses will lap up whatever propaganda they're fed like puppies and a bowl of peanut butter. But what the fuck are the Republican leadership thinking? At that point the US has fallen, but maybe it already has and we just don't know yet. But maybe not... time will tell.

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'd say it's a given at this point.

Trump has offended pretty much all of our major trade partners, so we need a new market to sell US goods as well as replace our imports. As it just so happens, Russia desperately needs goods due to the sanctions and has a reduced manufacturing capacity as a result of marching all their young (and not so young) men into a meat grinder. And even though Putin is a backstabbing, murderous, KGB thug Trump knows that he won't touch him, because Trump's just too useful of a flunky.

Granted it's a morally repugnant move, but when has that ever stopped Trump?

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 85 points 4 months ago

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were upset with Democrat's handling of foreign affairs?

Clown country.

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[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

And that's after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 67 points 4 months ago

Likely true if we're being real but... You don't say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.

[-] troed@fedia.io 67 points 4 months ago

Ukraine is winning. That's why Trump has stopped supporting them on request from Putin.

If your news isn't telling you Ukraine are currently stronger on the battlefield, change news outlets.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 months ago

Russia is collapsing - this war is absolutely draining their economy. The questions are whether Ukraine could keep that momentum if the US suddenly cuts off communication media and whether continuing a war to a victorious position is worth the cost to Ukrainians. I'm not there, I don't get any input on the decision, but I'm absolutely understanding of my Ukrainian coworker that fled the country and wouldn't ill judge Ukraine seeking an earlier peace in exchange for concessions.

[-] troed@fedia.io 27 points 4 months ago

51% of respondents in December 2024 said that Ukraine should not give up any of its territories "under no circumstances... even if this would prolong the war and threaten the preservation of independence."

https://kyivindependent.com/38-percent-ukrainians-territorial-concessions/

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[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago

Mind sharing a source. Latest stories i see is ukraine falling back in kursk and general russian advances on the main front

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[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 months ago

He's a negotiator in the same way the drive thru person at McDonalds is a negotiator.

[-] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 13 points 4 months ago

negotiator

I don't believe that Rubio has earned that distinction in the slightest, even in a derogatory manner. In fact, I am pretty sure that he has only ever once walked onto a used car lot and that resulted in only two things happening. One, learning that he ought not walk onto a used car lot. And two, the true value of a high mileage Jeep.

[-] turbulentMagma@lemm.ee 50 points 4 months ago
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[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

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[-] Jakule17@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago

We don’t negotiate with terrorists my ass

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[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 42 points 4 months ago

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

[-] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 40 points 4 months ago

What a massive piece of shit

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[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
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[-] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago

Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.

[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 36 points 4 months ago

I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

No, it must not. If someone breaks into your house, is he allowed to keep the loot?

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

The only territory that Ukraine has to cede is Kursk

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[-] b0s@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a "reason" to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.

[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 months ago

I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

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[-] ChaosInstructor@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

they are ok with ceding Texas...

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky...

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago

Not one inch.

[-] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

The US just decided that they're not part of the negotiations anymore

[-] Nunar@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we're going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 12 points 4 months ago

“Let’s blow up the post war consensus and fuel everyone getting bombs.” This ain’t the way I thought we’d solve climate change, but making the human race extinct with nukes is certainly a way to avoid making them extinct through climate collapse.

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