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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 21 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Oh fuck off, Rubio.

[-] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 79 points 11 hours ago

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 17 points 9 hours ago

‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

That US never existed.

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

it did in the movies, in here lies the problem.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

id probably just try to suck their dick or something

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago
[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

don't rob my house I'm serious

[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 36 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 34 points 13 hours ago

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago

Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky...

[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 12 hours ago

I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Türkiye would love to be the nation that resolves this.

[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 30 points 13 hours ago

I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.

[-] Nunar@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we're going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

[-] bingBingBongBong@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

His mom must cede territory in any piece deal

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 266 points 23 hours ago
[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 118 points 23 hours ago

Yep, it's treason. And it's not just one guy.

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 226 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

[-] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 36 points 19 hours ago

Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 137 points 23 hours ago

FUCK YOU LITTLE MARCO

shithead.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 51 points 23 hours ago

Has he proved his citizenship?

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[-] rylock@lemm.ee 118 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

"Turns out, Russia doesn't want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it's high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace."

  • Little Marco in a week
[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 13 points 13 hours ago

"we've tried nothing and we're already out of ideas"

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 83 points 23 hours ago

At the rate we're going, I wouldn't be surprised if trump drops all sanctions against Russia, and starts even funding them and providing them US weapons and Intel. I just wouldn't be surprised.

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 58 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I would assume they're getting the Intel already. The entire administration is comprised of Russian assets and useful idiots. Even if the info isn't being handed to them directly, all the existing security is being ripped to shreds and the teams that would counter any threats have officially been told to ignore Russia completely.

That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to publicly give Intel to Russia, but only because he's an idiot and assuming there is a low he won't sink to his always a losing bet.

[-] Geobloke@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago

Tulsi probably hitting Putin with "u up ;)"

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago

I wouldn't be surprised if we're already in a slow rollout for him to go public with support for Russia. The deal could be that Russia and US split Ukraine in some way, whether it stays as "Ukraine" with installed leadership or blatantly annexed.

The problem is the maga cult and the Republicans in congress who would support it. The maga masses will lap up whatever propaganda they're fed like puppies and a bowl of peanut butter. But what the fuck are the Republican leadership thinking? At that point the US has fallen, but maybe it already has and we just don't know yet. But maybe not... time will tell.

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I'd say it's a given at this point.

Trump has offended pretty much all of our major trade partners, so we need a new market to sell US goods as well as replace our imports. As it just so happens, Russia desperately needs goods due to the sanctions and has a reduced manufacturing capacity as a result of marching all their young (and not so young) men into a meat grinder. And even though Putin is a backstabbing, murderous, KGB thug Trump knows that he won't touch him, because Trump's just too useful of a flunky.

Granted it's a morally repugnant move, but when has that ever stopped Trump?

[-] ChaosInstructor@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago

they are ok with ceding Texas...

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 65 points 23 hours ago

Likely true if we're being real but... You don't say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.

[-] troed@fedia.io 65 points 22 hours ago

Ukraine is winning. That's why Trump has stopped supporting them on request from Putin.

If your news isn't telling you Ukraine are currently stronger on the battlefield, change news outlets.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 23 points 21 hours ago

Russia is collapsing - this war is absolutely draining their economy. The questions are whether Ukraine could keep that momentum if the US suddenly cuts off communication media and whether continuing a war to a victorious position is worth the cost to Ukrainians. I'm not there, I don't get any input on the decision, but I'm absolutely understanding of my Ukrainian coworker that fled the country and wouldn't ill judge Ukraine seeking an earlier peace in exchange for concessions.

[-] troed@fedia.io 21 points 20 hours ago

51% of respondents in December 2024 said that Ukraine should not give up any of its territories "under no circumstances... even if this would prolong the war and threaten the preservation of independence."

https://kyivindependent.com/38-percent-ukrainians-territorial-concessions/

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[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 23 points 22 hours ago

He's a negotiator in the same way the drive thru person at McDonalds is a negotiator.

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[-] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 38 points 23 hours ago

What a massive piece of shit

[-] pogt@lemmy.wtf 6 points 13 hours ago

Gotta give him credit for being a consistent illegal occupation supporter.

He's treating Ukrainians now the same way he was treating Palestinians. Just cede occupied land to aggressors.

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 17 points 22 hours ago

Not one inch.

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