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[-] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

We should throw some cash at Saab and see if they can come up with a stealth gripen or something.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Careful, that’s how you end up with cool sedans and hatchbacks.

[-] daellat@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Europe already has a program for a 6th gen in the works for 2040 or 2050. Saab should join it! However in the meanwhile the gripen-e is an excellent aircraft yes.

[-] Onemadmother@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

They cannot be trusted, that much we know. We need to become independent and not reliant

[-] Bzdalderon@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

Bring back the avro arrow. Let's do it.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

We shouldn't have caved back in the Arrow days.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 4 points 9 months ago

Switzerland too!

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

What would they do instead? Get a bunch of J-35s, like Egypt?

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago
[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I'm confused.
That's not a poem.

I was assured that Sprog bestows awesome poems upon the masses.

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I don't think I can anymore.

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

That's sad but I understand.

You brought joy to a lot of people but it must have been a ton of work.

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

J35 or the new Turkish planes. Or develop their own plane.

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fighter planes are very expensive to develop.

The F-35 program cost something around $1.7 trillion. ~~That's several times the annual GDP of Canada.~~ That's more than half of Canada's annual GDP.

A better bet would be to enter some joint development program with partners in the EU.

[-] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

That is not several times Canada's GDP. Maybe you meant many many times Canada's annual military expenditure.

Regardless 1.7 trillion Is a lot of money

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Join GCAP (Global Combat Air Program) or FCAS (Future Coma=bat Air System). They are both multi-country projects to develop next gen fighter jets. Off the top of my head, GCAP is UK, Japan and Italy where FCAS is Germany, France, and... I'd have to look it up, and I'm feeling a bit lazy.

Assuming there is no schedule slippage, they won't deliver aircraft until 2035 and 2040 respectively though, so we would still need a stop gap. I'm partial to Gripen, and Sweden has flirted with joing GCAP as well, so that might be a good way to reivigorate Canadian aerospace, in cooperation with the other GCAP countries and Sweden.

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[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Typhoon/EF2000/Rafale. Not stealthy, but still a superb multi role aircraft.

(Yes, I know Rafale is technically not the same aircraft, but it sprang from the same initial plans, so it's pretty close)

#buyeuropean, I guess

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

From what I understand, those are fine if you're going up against enemies that don't have stealth (and all the ancillary technologies that go with it).

The general military analysis is that the F-35 and J-35 are superior to anything else in the air and are similar in capabilities to each other. Conflicts between them will come down to who can make more of them faster. Conflicts between one of them and an older generation fighter seems to be, they'll blow you up before you can see them.

EU better get cracking and start making stealth planes.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's assuming stealth stays effective much longer.

Stealth planes can already be detected, it's a matter of doing it fast enough and small enough to work in a missile.

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[-] engene@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Let’s do it and replace them with MiGs 🤨

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