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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 160 points 2 months ago

As much as I hate Elon, this is a terrible idea. Cheap Chinese trash mobiles built by Uyghur slave labor are not the answer.

How about we build cars in Canada instead?

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 84 points 2 months ago

Except they aren't trash, they're better than Teslas that's for sure.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 2 months ago

They are still data hungry, surveillance machines that are allways online and gps tracked. We need cars without that kinda shit built in.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

There has been talks about forcing Chinese cars to come over disconnected. Every new car is a surveillance machine. The western brands will not be asked to disconnect anything and it will probably be illegal to do so yourself, so Chinese cars might be an actual win in that regard.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago

I'de rather China have my data than an company over here. What are they gunna do with it that would affect me?

[-] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago

that's exactly what got us in this mess in the first place.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

What mess? American Imperialism / Capitalism imploding on itself?

[-] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago

A foreign power having far, far too much control over our economic possessions. Information is a resource; what they do with it is inconsequential, we have to stop giving it away to people simply because they're our 'trade partners' right now.

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[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago

American car company secretly send your driving data to your insurance company so they can squeeze more out from you for any minor reason they see fit. There's no reason canada insurance company won't do that. Scared about chinese car collecting your data is kinda missed the point, you should have stronger data protection instead.

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[-] bluGill@fedia.io 52 points 2 months ago

Build cars in Germany, Japan, South Korea and the like. focus on something non car you can sell to them in return. You can do anything but not everything.

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 months ago

Building cars is something we already do in Canada. And there's currently a lot of capacity coming online to build electric cars. Pretty much the entire car could be sourced from Canadian parts, including the batteries. I think semi-conductors are the only thing that doesn't have a domestic source right now.

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[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would be sympathetic if the Uyghur stuff was true.

Do you have any substantial sources, to objectively prove your claims? I've never seen anything convincing.

I'm not intending to simp for China. They are authoritarian. But I'm also not going to fall for propaganda especially if it's false. The USA has a motive for making the masses hate China.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago

There is plenty of evidence widely available from organizations like human rights watch and amnesty international. Claims that deny any evidence exist of the persecution of China's Muslim population rely on logical fallacies to attempt to obscure the validity of the body of evidence. Namely ad hominem attacks against the individual who first gathered the evidence to begin with.

While the researcher obviously has biased opinions about the CCP, that doesn't affect the validity of the evidence gathered, most of which comes directly from publicly available information released by the CCP itself, or from leaked internal communication from party members that have been widely verified by reputable journalists and organizations specializing in human rights violations.

While I personally wouldn't claim that there is a genocide as we traditionally understand it has occurred, it's hard to deny that the Uyghur people aren't being systemically oppressed or that significant human rights violations haven't occurred.

Simply looking at publicly available census data releases by the CCP we can tell that Uyghur people are being driven from culturally important sites that are being replaced by ethnically Han Chinese, and that Uyghur populations have been shrinking at a worryingly abnormal rate.

If we look at recent history of ethnic conflict within China in tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia, I fail to see why it's logical to assume that the accusations of crimes against humanity is pure propaganda.

Han chauvinism is well documented, and even Mao Zedong spoke about how it would negatively affect the future of the party. Ethnic conflict/cleansing has been a constant in the region and is part of the foundational history of modern China.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

But we were fine with the usa destroying multiple countries, participating in many coups and supporting Israel for decades.

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[-] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 2 months ago

I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

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[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 73 points 2 months ago

Replacing nazi cars with slave labor cars is a pretty fucked up idea.

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[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 71 points 2 months ago

i would find amusing if countries retaliate US tariffs by singling out Musk and Trump companies

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 37 points 2 months ago

Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

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[-] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago

Top that with copyrights removal on Tesla tech.

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[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago

Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago

and thats any worse than US tech because?

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[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 14 points 2 months ago

Haha yeah sure, unlike Tesla that has already remotely locked (and unlocked!) vehicles at their whim.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Why not both

[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Someone's doing the happy hunny dance....

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[-] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 months ago

I think we should build them ourselves.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 months ago

Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.

Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?

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[-] makyo@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

I obviously don't understand the economics of it and I realize that China will always have the upper hand on price but is there a reason every western EV has to be $40,000+? Like surely it's possible to build a barebones model for less than 30k right - especially if I don't need or even want touch screens or fancy interior materials or heated seats or anything.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 months ago

If I specifically don’t want touch screens, what then?

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[-] shawn1122@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

Western culture is built on delivering value to shareholders first and foremost.

[-] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

That's why I snatched up a Bolt before Chevy (temporarily, they say) discontinued the line. I even did upgrade it a little to get heated/cooling front seats and a heated steering wheel plus the extra safety features. $32.5k with a $7.5k rebate from the federal Clean Vehicle Credit. So $25k for a car with a 175-280 mile range. (175ish in winter when the battery is less efficient, 280 in summer).

Of course the IRS fucked up the point of sale rebate when I was purchasing, but it's finally incoming with my taxes this year.

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 months ago

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

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[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

Why would Canadians want cheaper EVs that may or may not be reliable when they can have American assembled ones that are more expensive and may or may not work?

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

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[-] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago

Ban the fucking things.

Offer loan forgiveness to any Tesla owner. Tell musk to fuck off.

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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago

I hope EVs don't get a bad name out of all this. EVs are one of the few good things to come out of the last decade or so.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago

Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

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[-] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 16 points 2 months ago

now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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[-] Septapus@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago

The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Seize all Musk and Trump-owned assets.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Electrek (the publisher of the article) seems to be a bit of a shill for Chinese EV companies, or he's getting some kind of commission. He's repeatedly promoted Chinese factories, goes on Chinese factory tours, etc... I don't know what the angle is, but it's vastly different from similar sources like Electroheads out of the UK.

That said, fuck Tesla.

Also, Canada should invest in building more micromobility devices here, like e-bikes, e-scooters, etc. The future isn't cars, and we need more affordable, accessible modes of transportation.

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[-] GameGod@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The thing is, if Trump wants to kill Canada's role in US car manufacturing, then it will cost him the car markets in Mexico and Canada. If there's no jobs here to protect, then we'll just drop the tariffs on Chinese EVs. (This is speaking like 20 years down the road). We'll all be driving Chinese cars in that scenario. The tariffs are a total lose-lose situation, so dumb.

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