Basing my answer of off Vane@lemmy.world 's answer where E=mc² is 5 Bytes, assuming there is a lottery drawing some time during maybe a Friday during the loop, just store the winning lottery numbers since clearly they shouldn't take up that much space. Assuming that creates a timeline where that version of me isn't in the loop and gets the money, I'd be happy for him/me.
You can fit quite a lot of plain text in 1kb; it's really just a 1024 character message. What you'd want to store would really be dependent on how the day went, but starting with "You are in a time loop. It resets every week on Monday at 6AM" would probably be sufficient to get things rolling; that's only 61B.
I'd just add information that helped me have the best 7 days possible - really just a schedule of things to do. Did I read a really good book? Note that down, read it every week, enjoy that time. Did I play a great game? Same thing. Once I found 7 days worth of activities that were maximally enjoyable, I'd be happy to just stay in that time loop forever; the memory reset is really a blessing, not a curse.
Yeah, min-max that shit and live your happily ever after.
Yeah, the memory reset is a positive. Having to remember is the curse.
Also, 1024 characters assumes you are just using ASCII, which has a bunch of control codes and characters of other languages you won't use. If you trim these and remove uppercase letters you could probably make your own custom letter set that fits 2 characters in a byte, doubling your information to make it 2048 chars
The problem with this is that if you're using anything 'non-standard', you have to devise this system during your 7 days, and then you have to include in your message enough information to figure the system out anew when the loop resets. You've got to be specific enough that next-loop you will definitely figure out the exact same system, or you might mis-interpret your message and if you lose the information that you're in a loop, you're fucked.
Basically my point is, you're wasting prime time that could be spent on some enjoyable activity in each loop. Unless solving your own puzzle is enjoyable, in which case, you do you - you can spend eternity living in your own Memento-inspired personal mystery, if you want to.
We should all make up our personal character systems so we won't have to worry about this situation /s
Good idea - get ahead of the problem. I like it. Make sure to take extensive notes and leave them somewhere you can access at any time.
Let's just make a new text standard, call it "tinychar" or something. You don't need any personal notes when it's a known concept
I would open a text program and write: Dear self, why would you want to escape the timeloop? You're functionally immortal and free from consequence.
And then every day would start with me opening the file and going "oh yea" and having another kick-ass day.
Or possibly just the exact same kick-ass day.
Doesn't matter kicked ass!
Hey you clever people claiming you'd compress all information. Please explain how you zip information in your brain. Can you do it today? Is it really the best use of whatever time keeps looping to teach yourself mind compression algorithms from scratch?
OP said "like" a cloud storage. It could be in your head, ~~on paper, scratching on a closet wall or the inside of a can of beans... Whatever random medium that you realize is glitching after having done two million cycles already~~¹ where you could fit one thousand letters and not more. Don't try to cheat the genie for infinite wishes or you might lose them all.
I'm thinking that it must be something that starts off with convincing me I'm in a loop, then a brief of a plan of find a way to break out, the current progress, and finally what remains to keep the most important notes. 1024 bytes is not much but it could be done.
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That's 1024 bytes for you.
Edit; ¹ realized op said it is in your head.
That's a lof of information and a lot of time. E=mc2 is just 5 Bytes. I would save couple of currency exchange rates with dates, buy and sell prices.
Something like this:
BET#EUR/USD#2025-03-02#B#1.2345#S#1.43432
That's like 41 Bytes.
Leaves me with 983 Bytes so let's say I save 2 more so I am left with 901 bytes.
Bet on broker with highest ledger and withdraw my money. Order private jet or buy plane ticket, get to place with best weather and waves ( just store airport name that's like 6 letters FLY#LAX) and just spend the rest of week there chilling.
Looking at ocean, maybe learn some surfing. Do some hiking, enjoy my life for a week without needing to work.
I can store airports I was before. Like BEEN#LAX#BCN#ASD#ASD#ASD. 900 characters is about 225 airports in format AIR#POR#TXX. That's a lot, given a year have 52 weeks that is 4.32 years of travel saved. So here I am planned my 4 year trip with 1 KB.
If everyone are stuck in loop I don't care, store info to just stay at home, cover windows so noone knows I am here and play games or draw or learn some piano because it's just hell. I have candles and enough food for a week at home so I think I will survive without looking at this shit show.
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With regard to what if every person on earth gets a similar buffer: Assuming everyone initially becomes aware of this feature, I would imagine communities would pool up their storage by connecting them via references to other member's name or identity (similar to linked lists). They could store their collective thoughts in the form of megathreads similar to how Twitter users do it, in plain text or making use of links to Babel pages as suggested in another comment.
Intelligence agencies would be extremely efficient in cramming information in their limited shared buffers. Imagine they observe 'CakeShoeRock' written in the buffer and immediately conclude they are in a time loop because they anticipated this exact scenario and developed a comprehensive set of protocols and a system of condensed code words to follow for the same in advance.
This question was probably asked by an AI trying to figure how to avoid being rebooted.
Um...
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I am not a robot 🤖
Robots cannot lie, it's in the Constitution of Robotics
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Yes you read that right: BYTES, not KB, MB, or GB: 1024 BYTES
1024 Bytes are 1 Kibibyte or 1,024 Kilobytes.
And to make it even more confusing, the person I'm replying to is using a thousandths separator (",") that is ambiguous. Unlike metric, there isn't an international standard for this. More than half the world uses 1,024.00; between 70-80% of the people in the world use "." as the decimal separator; of these, most use "," for thousandths, and under 2% use apostrophe. So, most of the world would write "one thousand twenty four" as 1,024, and 20-30% would write 1.024, and a very few - mostly the Swiss and Albanians - would write 1'024.
So Zacryon, your punctuation means something different in different countries. To most people in the world, you're claiming 1 Kibibytes = 1 Mibibyte.
In the most Milquetoast way, no standards committee has put their foot down and said, "this is the way numbers should be represented."
The only good solution is to pick something everyone hates for thousandths separators. I like "_". 1_024. There. Nobody but software developers uses that.
So: to everyone reading this, Zacryon isn't wrong, they're just using a decimal separator used by a minority of people in the world.
Goddamn it who named these terms? The original term was supposed to be 1024 bytes, why the fuck was the definition of Kilobyte retroactively changed?
Kilo is metric for 1000, not 1024. To remain consistent it was changed.
First, use the first 10 bytes of the file as a sanity check. throw in two random bytes like 0x55AA so you know the file isn’t broken. add a loop counter to track how many times you’ve lived the same week (bonus points for crying when you hit loop 9999), toss in a basic checksum to make sure your data isn’t glitched.
Then dedicate like 800 bytes to a super compressed log. Each entry is 8 bytes: a code for what you tried (like action 23 = “mess with the sketchy microwave”), the day and time crammed into 2 bytes, a yes/no/weird result, and a tiny note like “key under rug” but in code. Only keep the last 100 entries so you don’t run out of space.
The leftover 200-ish bytes are for tracking. Use bits to mark places you’ve already checked (like “room D14 done”) and actions you’ve tried (so you stop repeating “throw spaghetti at the wall”).
Every reset, open the file, see your last loop’s fails (like “loop 420: died petting a possum”), Then try something new, focus on unmarked areas and untested actions this is because if you notice a pattern (like “tv static every tuesday”), write it as “tues=F9=glitchinmatrix” or whatever.
After 200 loops, maybe you’ll crack the code (literally) or realize the exit was behind the fridge the whole time.Oor you’ll just accept your fate and start a cult (the 1k chosen ones!) . Either way, you’re out.
tldr: use the 1kb to avoid repeating mistakes, track patterns, and maybe escape before you start talking to a lamp.
(like action 23 = “mess with the sketchy microwave”)
How much time are you spending devising this system? Because you're going to have to devise the system anew each week, unless you also store instructions for deciding on a system in the file.
How do you store what killed you? Theoretically you can't edit the log once you die (you'd just start the new loop, with no memory of what killed you).
More importantly, why do you want to escape? This hypothetical time loop sounds awesome.
super compressed log
Heh.
Both scenarios - Initial Steps
I'm assuming we all get a first message to ourselves, otherwise it's probably going to take a lot of loops just to realize that something weird is going on with my Neuro-Computer Implant HUD (NCIHUD) when the message is something completely different from what I last left in there. Hopefully, at some point, the last message I leave before my next time-loop self will finally clue myself into what's actually going on.
But let's stick with the initial message idea for simplicity.
Step 1 - Convince myself that I really am stuck in a time loop. Ex: Tell myself to look out the window and with precise timing explain which cars/neighbours will drive by and which direction. Every time loop I'll want to test out various methods to see how quickly and efficiently I can convince myself (while always keeping a failsafe method at the end).
I like the idea of @Dsklnsadog@lemmy.dbzer0.com in keeping track of the number of time-loops that have ocurred since, going forward, this will be the only way to tell how much time has progressed.
Step 2: Use some really good compression algorithms for text (at a basic level you can get about ~~215k~~ 2-3k characters in 1kB without trying anything fancy by using typical zip compression).
Edit: Fixed compression size value.
Scenario 1 - I'm the only one stuck in a time-loop
This one's a bit more boring. Initially I'd just get loan and then do whatever. Obviously there's no use in working anymore at this point.
I could try out being a superhero for a bit, rescuing people just in the nick of time would be fun.
I could try to research better compression algorithms for better longer logs. Although there'll be a limit to how much I could read at some point, so I'll need to come up with a way to organize the data for whatever my next loop wants/needs to do. Obviously the most time sensitive information would be upfront.
@owatnext@lemmy.world was the first to mention a trick with using the library of Babel that could help a lot. OP Went into more detail on this with their comment here: https://lemmy.world/comment/15400050
Eventually I'd probably settle with researching the time-loop to find a way out, or else give up by completely wiping the log so that my future loop self would wake up with an empty log. Eventually, many more loops in the future I would eventually update the log with enough information to clue my next loop self in that a time-loop was occurring.... And then time-loop history eventually repeats itself.
Scenario 2: Everyone in the world has a NCIHUD message pop up at exactly 6am (UTC).
Initial time-loops would be complete chaos. Practically everyone would just be calling out of work, or leaving as soon as they figure out what's going on. It wouldn't take long for society to collapse. There's no point in playing the stock market or taking out a loan or trying to travel (without hijacking a jet or flying your own).
Eventually certain groups or factions would form with varying degrees of goals/objectives. Like-minded groups would organize and start working together.
Power, in this scenario, would not be based on wealth. Instead it would be based on knowledge, how quickly they can put their plan in motion, the ability to influence/force others to update their own notes (in a way that's beneficial to those groups), and the ability to amass a larger amount of long term information.
For instance, one group might end up being some fanatic group hell bent on convincing/tricking everyone (but themselves) that wiping their log is the only way to escape the time-loop.
Another group may be trying to do something similar, or else winning people over, but only at a targetted level of certain individuals to try to get necessary infrastructure running for a little longer than the previous loop.
Other groups would be focused on amassing as much power (in a time loop sense) as possible.
It would be useful for groups/factions to convince newscasters to put out a certain message as quickly as possible after the next reset.
Spies/moles would pop up in various groups attempting to sabatoge/twist the other's goals. Agents would need to quickly decompress their own log, and run it through a text-to-speech (TTS) program that they could listen to. This audio log would then tell them exactly what they need to do to stay one step ahead of opposing factions.
The different factions would try to come up with better compression algorithms that could be quickly and efficiently created to start compressing/decompressing information even more. Most likely this would involve the use of having someone run specific prompts through a pre-existing local LLM (fine tuned for coding) where the seed (normally a randomized value) could always be forced to a specific value so that others in the group are always getting the exact same code result every time. This code could then be used to decompress the final portion of the message where the long term information would be held.
Not everyone in the faction would need to do this, but you would definitely want redundancy in case the agents of an opposing faction got to a few of these people before the next time-loop begins. Targeting/flipping the right people in a particular faction, could easily cripple their whole group.
Eventually, we may end up with a group that gains enough power long enough to put in some decent research into the time-loop. Maybe they find a way to break it, or maybe they find a way to get around it with time travel (not likely).
The most likely positive outcome in this case is that they eventually research a way to increase our brain activity to insane lengths so that, even though a day would pass in the real world, our mind would have lived a lifetime in virtual reality.
Text only
Yes
Why does this reminds me of Memento
Isn't it from memento?
Lol I wasn't sure since I forgot... oh shit, gotta grab a pen real quick before I forget again
I have read a book about this. (Mother of Learning)
My magnum opus can't be expressed as data so it's useless for me.
I would propably try to find a solution to the time loop or fail with my current skillset.
I assume I know of the time loop. Otherwise I wouldn't know of the memory to check, or even on first iteration that I loop and can make use of it. Otherwise, I would have reserved the first bytes for TIME LOOP, ME
, and then discovering how long the timespan to loop is by marking dates. Once that concludes, the result can be compressed TIME LOOP, ME, Monday 6:00
If it's my current life, I wouldn't even know what to do with it.
I would also be okay with doing the same thing every loop. Because it doesn't make a difference.
Assuming that I understand that I am able to carry this information over, I would just make a text file of library of Babel URLs.
With a single string, you can encode an entire page of data.
On that page of data, you can have strings that encode additional pages of data.
I would have an entire blog of posts to myself to read at every reboot.
Who did I sleep with? How much money did I win? What cool things happened? What things did I try to do?
I would also tell myself when a stunt might kill me, and if I don't update the document to say that I survived, then I would know in the future that that did kill me.
Surely this wouldn't work anyway since the pages would reset (ie to unwritten) at the beginning of the loop to the same state as on the first day. Otherwise, you could achieve the same thing just by writing a journal.
Love the idea so much that I tried it. Turns out a url for a babel page is around 2,000 bytes :-(
For it to work you have to use the bookmarkable function with the default generated bookmark
https://libraryofbabel.info/bookmark.cgi?fxqtvtsugtpifjm,113
This code would be the code or one of the codes that it would definitely generate to create this string of text.
Bookmarks are created afterwards.
If you use the bookmark after the time is reset, the bookmark wouldn't be created yet.
Edit: Example: https://libraryofbabel.info/bookmark.cgi?year2025march2lemmytimetravel
I'm pretty sure "year2025march2lemmytimetravel" doesn't exist as a bookmark 7 days ago.
If it's just me; I'd increment it by one at the start of each loop. That is, I'd increment the underlying 8192-bit number that the 1024 bytes represents. On some loops this will form a coherent ASCII text, on most it'll be gibberish. But I have infinite retries and it doesn't bother me how many loops I go through. So there will be 2^8192 "initial states" it's in, or about 10^2467 different states in base ten. If anything is going to get me out of that time loop then I'll hit on it eventually.
If I see that the integer is maxed out, I think I won't overflow it back to 0 again. The whole point of this is to avoid trying exactly the same thing over and over again indefinitely. I think I'd have to resort to a leap of faith - that quantum effects are still random. I'd go to random.org and generate something bigger than 1024 bytes to use as "inspiration" instead. Maybe a megabyte? It'd have to be a lot bigger to be on the safe side, since this is the last resort.
I'm a little confused by the premise.
If my memory is completely wiped every loop, how would I even know about editing this "file", or have any purpose of doing so? The only way it'd work is if I'm given the information before the loop begins (so I always have the info, even after wipes), or at the beginning of every loop, both of which defeat the purpose of "you're in a time loop" messages.
What am I trying to accomplish, getting out of the loop?
As a quick test, 300 words of "Lorem Ipsum" compresses down to about 900 bytes (using gzip).
So I've got about 300 or so words worth of storage, probably more of I get clever.
Now I can't natively decode gzip, but the header is unique enough that I'll figure out how to decode it pretty quickly.
That's more than enough to explain to myself what's going on, what I've tried and anything else I'd want to know.
If we add other people then that's basically infinite storage.
I’ve got about 300 or so words worth of storage
That’s more than enough to explain to myself what’s going on, what I’ve tried and anything else I’d want to know.
Are you insane????? 300 words is nothing. Imagine trying to investigate the time loop so you can break out. Merely keeping a list of the people you've already investigated would become impossible way too quickly.
More likely you'd try to make notes to yourself to preserve some sense of persistent identity and purpose in the face of the time loop. But that would require detailed descriptions of your experiences, thoughts, and feelings, and 300 words is only enough space for a few fairly meaningful notes or maybe several dozen super condensed notes "No flight 318, crashes. Love is time waste. John, Rachel, Liam, Tom are DTF. Murder 300 W. Elm 3/11 @ 4pm. Time flat circle? Saw in True Detective tv show"...etc But that type of note is barely adequate to convey simple instructions, much less to convey a sense of identity.
Just this comment is like 150 words. Christ I'm stressed, just thinking about it.
Guess be one url to the nicest porn gif I've found so far.
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