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VI is love, VI is life
(jlai.lu)
What makes 6 so popular?
Because vii viii ix
LXIX my balls! Haha got'em.
Believe it or not, this is the second time I got to make that joke within an hour.
* laughs in Latin *
Emacs
(ducks)
I use vi from an Emacs Shell, which was spawned from an Emacs GUI.
bro tryin' to summon a demon... /s
Emacs is what the unified linux desktop should be
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We don't want a viditor, we want an editor. Why? Because ed is the standard!
On the system I administrate, vi is symlinked to ed
Java? vi!
COBOL? vi!
SVG? Believe it or not, vi!
/s
BMP? vi and control-v!
WAV? There's probably a plugin for that!
SVG, unironically yes. There's a few times where I found a library or WYSIWYG editor making some strange choices for its SVG output, and I had to fix it manually.
Everyone at work is using Cursor these days, except for me using neovim and my emacs loving coworker. When we present during pair programming our coworkers go nuts over watching our workflows and trying to figure out if they can do similar things in Cursor lol.
What is Cursor, another AI-infested slop?
It's a version of VSCode with deep AI integration. I'll say, it's pretty good from a workflow perspective. But I just use Avante to similar effect.
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The comments on this post went exactly like they have over the past 20 years, with one exception.
Emacs is all but forgoten.
Vim wins.
Recently, I recommended to a friend that basic vim/vi is worth learning because it's a baseline that you can always trust will be there across different Linux systems.
They asked me what I used most on my home system, and the answer was emacs, but I was very clear that I was not recommending it. It's a particular kind of person who finds themselves at home in emacs, and for everyone besides those people, selling them on emacs would feel like persuading them to do hard drugs.
Be real fukin careful now. You’ll tear my enacs from my cold dead hands
(But yeah, I use evil-mode. Also I edit files on remote servers with vim. I’m a traitor…)
you have offended all 6 of us, prepare for retribution
I think there's a good reason for that. If you're not as concerned about resource consumption (Emacs used to be called "Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping", back when 8MB was a lot), then there's no reason to avoid even more complex and resource intensive IDEs. People who wanted a complex editor, but in a relatively small footprint, stuck with some variant of vi.
Thus, vi found a stable evolutionary niche. It's a tardigrade.
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Ah, nice one! Didn't realize it could even be done.
It isn't as dumb as it sounds, honestly! I used to use DBeaver and it is a fantastic project, but I really wanted Vim keybinds to construct my queries as they can sometimes be quite large. There used to be a plugin that added the functionality but it stopped working on my machine. This Vim plugin is essentially a wrapper for the CLI SQL client (psql in my case), so using it actually kind of makes sense, I think.
The biggest issue I faced was exporting the results, but I just created a function in my ~/.vimrc that copies all the text of the results to a new tab and formats it however I want. CSV, HTML, JSON, XML, Markdown, whatever I need is all there and predefined. All I have to do is call :ExportToMarkdown and off I go.
VI is life
If you don't have one to begin with, sure, I guess. For everyone else, there's Nano.
Sorry maybe I'm dumb. But does this mean VIM and Obsidian are Vi?
Vi is actually a predecessor to Vim but many people, myself included, will alias Nvim or Vim to Vi. And I've seen people use Vi as a catch all too.
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Nano is just better and I'll happily die on this hill
No
Nano is easier to get into, but far more limited.
And easier to get out of…
Is it? If it wasn't printed on the bottom, would you really be able to guess Ctrl+X, Y, Enter any easier than colon, q, Enter?
The key difference here is "it's printed at the bottom".
I don't immediately need a user guide to tell me how to save and exit the program
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in highschool my physics teacher used vim to write stuff, like most times when checking if everyone was in class he'd just open vim and type people's name in there
Op, what do you find more offputting: emacs or neovim?
Is no one gonna talk about neovim or are we all just like set the alias and forgot that we are inside neovim and not vim or vi
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