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[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Make no problem with bikes in Florida, when you arrive you are so drenched in sweat you are no longer presentable and stink to high heaven.

Biking to work if you have an office job is out of the question.

Biking to my gym or KungFu school.... Perfect.

Just need the right tool for the right job.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

Anyone who has ridden in rain and adverse weather would know one reason cars are more popular.

[-] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 9 points 1 hour ago

car go further faster, and car more useful when not in big city.

[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 6 points 43 minutes ago

For this, bike friendly cities have good public transport (bus/tram/metro) and bike shares

[-] yogaxpto@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago

Not probably, a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient way to convert energy into movement. No other vehicle or animal can be as efficient.

[-] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 minutes ago

Thats why I have a bike-sled team to pull my horribly inefficient sled across the asphalt

[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 13 points 3 hours ago

Someone can probably do the math, but i have a hunch that humans are technically not very fuel efficient if you look at calories burned pr the total mass being moved along.

But whatever it is biking is awesome, but being technically correct is even better.

[-] SoleInvictus 24 points 3 hours ago

Humans are actually unusually energy efficient for mammals when walking and even more so when cycling. Here's a little info graphic showing a breakdown.

One thing to keep in mind if you have a dog is they're less energy efficient than humans. While dogs can run faster, a reasonably fit human can easily out distance an equally fit dog when walking or distance running.

[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Nice graphic. ~~But it seems like it doesn't factor in kg of mass moved. A human and a bike is a lot lighter than a car or a horse. You could also argue that the vehicle weigh should be ignored but then again you could easily argue back that weight of goods move can possibly be a lot higher with a car if you load it up to capacity~~. Ignore that. I did not see it said 5 riders for the car

[-] SoleInvictus 4 points 2 hours ago

I'm back with better data. I'm assuming the travel path is perfectly flat because I don't feel like modeling elevation changes. I'm being energy efficient (read: lazy).

For cycling, I'm using the global average human weight of 62 kg, assuming the cycle is 8 kg, and the pace is 10 kph, which is pretty relaxed.

For walking, I'm using the 62 kg person walking at 4 kph.

For driving with petrol, we'll use the same spherical 62 kg human and a 2024 Toyota Prius with a fuel efficiency of 4.8 L/100 km and a mass of 1570 kg. One liter of petrol is approximately 8174 kcal. Double the energy expenditure for an estimate for your typical SUV.

For electric, I chose a 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N with an energy efficiency of 21.2 kWh/100km and a mass of 2235 kg. One kilowatt-hour is approximately 860 kcal.

Walking: 0.74 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Cycling: 0.34 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(p): 0.24 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(e): 0.08 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^

[-] SoleInvictus 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It still doesn't give us kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^ (or an equivalent), which is what I was looking for. We could do some math to get us some loose estimates, though. I'll do exactly that and report back shortly.

[-] TheButter_ItSeeps@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

I feel like 'total mass being moved' is irrelevent if most of that mass is useless (car motor/metal frame/plastic/etc).

Even if a car motor was more efficient per kg, most of the work is wasted on moving the actual car itself, regardless of the passengers & cargo.

Bikes clearly use less energy to displace 'useful mass' than a car, so they are more efficient in that sense.

[-] theoli@startrek.website 5 points 3 hours ago

Quick math shows I am quite a bit more efficient than a Nissan Juke traveling 150 miles at 19mph. About 50kcal/pound for the car and 8kcal/pound for me+bike to travel the distance.

[-] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 hours ago

Enables people with mobility issues

Allows people to move about farther than just a few miles or so

Allows people to transport a lot of goods (and/or heavy goods) easily

Doesn't make you exhausted if you have to go up hills

AIR CONDITIONING/HEATER

Fuck your walkable/bike nightmare "utopia".

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

My ebike has enabled me to take 40 mile round trips, saves me on hills (though honestly once you're fit it's not a big deal anyway), helps me carry lots of goods, and since I'm usually going fast the wind cools me down (though a little spray bottle helps keep me cool when it's really hot). I'm usually warm enough from enough from physical exertion that I don't really need a heater (unless it's so blisteringly cold that the fog of my breath turns to ice in my balaclava, but that's way below freezing.)

The only thing that really stops me is ice. Any other weather I can handle, but when there's ice my bike goes inside.

[-] Highstronaught@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago

Lots of disabled people can't drive, bike infrastructure also accommodates wheelchairs, mobility scooters, hand bikes and other ways disabled people get around.

50% of journeys are 5 miles or less, nobody is seriously suggesting going long distances on bikes (though I have)

You can easily carry a full load of shopping, bits from the diy shop and more, there are even tradespeople who work via a cargo bike rather than van

By cycling you get fitter very quick, you learn to pace yourself but you get faster as you get fitter. E-bikes are also an option too

Can't fix the air con issue, when I cycled to work I took a change of clothes and got changed there I don't live in a very hot place though. As for cold, a good set of waterproof mittens, some waterproof overtrousers and a good coat work wonders (and can be used when your not on a bike too)

What about those who can't drive, how do they get around?

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I agree with your points, trains are fucking awesome too.

[-] eestileib 27 points 5 hours ago

I'm disabled in a way that means I can't use one, but can use a car, which kinda sucks.

Fortunately bike infrastructure usually helps me in my chair, so I'm all in favor of wider bike adoption.

[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 8 points 4 hours ago

I don’t know your limitations, but you’d be surprised at the number of ways cycling can be made accessible.

For example, there are handbikes that attach to a wheelchair. As with all assistive tech it depends on your specific situation what is possible.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I've frequently seen a couple of people with recumbent hand bikes on one of the popular trails near me. They're decently fast with the reduced air resistance, but road crossings are a bit of a hassle when you aren't tall enough to be seen by an f450

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[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 22 points 5 hours ago

Welcome to the Netherlands. If there's anything that fills me with pride it's our cycling culture. Most people have a car too, but I don't, and I do everything by bike and public transport.

[-] vandsjov@feddit.dk 3 points 3 hours ago

Denmark checking in. Not unusual for people in the city not to have a car. I’m happy with my bike that I use every workday to cycle into the city centrum in all weather - I love dressing myself up in rain boots, rain paints and rain jacket and be on my way in heavy rain or snow, feeling like I’m in an episode of Deadliest Catch

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

"Just leave it anywhere there is a secure structure" - Yes, I see this regularly when I have to maneuver around bikes carelessly "parked" in the middle of the pedestrian walkway...

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago

Arrive to work soaked in sweat because it's been 100+ degrees every day for the past 8 weeks.

[-] knexcar@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago

You lose the benefits of it being cheap, but an ebike is a decent solution

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

I rode one for a while in college.

Didn't really help with the sweat problem between April and October in Texas. Or was less work than pedaling, but nothing aside from air conditioning helps with the sweat issue in Texas summer heat.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

Well, that is largely caused by cars.

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

The one downside is that a lot of people I know have had some nasty accidents and broke a bone or something. Sure, in cars you are also at the risk of kissing a tree at highway speed, but bike accidents feel a lot more common and have a lot less protective metal involved

[-] Carl@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I've wiped out a bunch of times on my motorcycle, never broke anything. I wiped out on my bike, broken arm.

The solution is clear: mandate motorcycle jackets and helmets for bicyclists.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I've known a few people killed in car accidents. I know lots of people who have had bike accidents, but none of them died, and the only ones with serious injuries were when they got hit by a car.

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