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[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 212 points 2 months ago

You know, for a free speech supporter, he sure seems to hate it when people speak freely.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 98 points 2 months ago

He wants to speak freely, but he doesn't want to afford anyone else the same right.

It's not an uncommon stance, but it's a hypocritical one.

[-] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 28 points 2 months ago

And when you say freely you mean hate.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago

In his case.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 10 points 2 months ago

Not really true. His supporters are allowed to speak freely as well.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 23 points 2 months ago

"Free speech absolutist"*

[-] Grassgrowz@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

hes quite the selective speech supporter

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

He absolutely wants to support the speech he agrees with. The rest can get fucked.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 110 points 2 months ago

Only the cool kids know where to get FOSS.

somepusher

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago
[-] gandhibobandhi@feddit.org 25 points 2 months ago
[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~Their backend is closed source.~~

[EDIT: Incorrect, see below]

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

It's source-available

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 59 points 2 months ago

I was waiting for such endorsement, maybe my friends will switch now.

[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 months ago

Agree this reinforce that signal is good for now.

[-] fushuan@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

In kinda pissed with them not agreeing to the chat app interoperability protocolo though, i want to delete whatsapp so bad...

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 months ago

It was never about free speech

[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 2 months ago
[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 months ago

Very free speech absolutist of him.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

Been using Signal for years. Love it.

Makes sense than an anti-free speech dipshit like Elon Musk would oppose it.

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[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

Didn't Signal get big after Musk endorsed it? What gives?

[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Yes, but then last year he started saying it had known vulnerabilities that weren’t being fixed, around the same time Telegram was attacking Signal’s credibility. I seem to remember him outright endorsing Telegram but have only done a quick search and that hasn’t popped up.

[-] carrylex@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

saying there are unspecified "known vulnerabilities" within Signal

His source: Trust me bro

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[-] o_arguido@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

It's not easy to leave WhatsApp. I've transitioned to Signal a month ago and lost contact with a lot of people. My friends and family think I'm going crazy for attitudes like these. "You can't change the world on your own".. like that was the plan 😅

Thanks Musk, that was the motivation I needed to keep away from WhatsApp.

Obviously not a X/Twitter user, I'm not a fkin idiot.

[-] HEXN3T 13 points 2 months ago

You can't change the world if you don't try at all. What a braindead take..

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

And they wouldn't be alone if their family came with them

[-] HEXN3T 5 points 2 months ago

Literally this

[-] BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

"You can check out any time you like... But you can never leeeave."

[-] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago

Leaving is never really an option. But running the two apps side by side still works.

[-] o_arguido@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

It varies, I guess. Some people might not be able to leave due to their job for example.

I left, it's an option for me. And I'm not coming back, I don't want to admit defeat.

I'm in an island now, it's annoying how these companies penetrated our lives.

[-] Teknevra 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What about using Matrix ?

I'm pretty sure that you can bridge Matrix with WhatsApp.

Matrix.Org - Bridges

https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp

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[-] prinzmegahertz@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

It’s a slow and constant process of onboarding people to signal. I managed to onboard my local gaming group into using Signal after Trump got elected.

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 26 points 2 months ago

Here are some workarounds:

  1. Don't use Xitter
  2. Use your phone number
  3. Use a URL shortener

He's not doing anything except getting more bad press for himself.

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 23 points 2 months ago

Free speech but no Signal? Red flag.

[-] monotremata@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago

Supposedly they're unblocked again, but there's been no explanation from Xitter about the issue. Definitely seems suspicious that this happened while DOGE is having trouble with whistleblowers using Signal, though.

https://gizmodo.com/x-briefly-blocked-then-unblocked-signal-links-as-federal-workers-seek-security-2000564966

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[-] dsilverz@friendica.world 13 points 2 months ago

@cyrano The "problem" (actually, the feature) with those censorship algorithms is that they rely a lot on the "exact contents" of the message ("Scunthorpe Problem"), so X is probably programmed to detect the Signal's domain and block due to the presence of such link (similar to how Facebook was/is blocking links to the largest PixelFed instances, and then they also decided to block links to DistroWatch and official websites from various Linux distros), so it's not programmed (yet) to censor just the "hexadecimal/base64/whatever" portion of the link alone. And there's where Tox could shine: a handle is literally a hexadecimal sequence, without Tox's domains, without URI Schemas, just a bunch of digits and letters from A to F.

I don't know why Tox isn't mentioned as a "instant messaging platform for whistleblowers": it got Onion (Tor) tunneling possibility (as well as tunneling it through I2P outproxies because it actually accepts any kind of SOCKS5 proxy), it's registration-less (even Matrix needs registration) so it's effectively anonymous IMO.

SimpleX seems to be that, too, although I didn't have the opportunity to use it more than I used Tox. But from the little I've used it, it's similar to Signal in the sense that it's a link (and a large link) and not simply a hash/hex sequence.

[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

Interesting, I did not know about that app https://tox.chat/index.html

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tox is nice. My favourite flavour is qTox.

The typical pattern over here: if someone uses Signal, you guess they're some military type (wants things to be secure, doesn't care much about anonymity, wants things to work one way and simply).

If someone uses Tox, you guess they're some hacker / anarchist type (wants things to be secure, but also anonymizable, wants things to be flexible, even if it can backfire).

[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Sounds like that censorship conservatives are all up in a row about... Oh not anymore fancy that

[-] takeiteasypolicy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I would really like to know who is using 'X' now ? I mean apart from Musk and his bot army

[-] TWB0109@lemmy.one 5 points 2 months ago

A lot of people unfortunately. Specially people outside the US, I think mastodon is ready for people to switch, but nobody does, the most they do is switch to bluesky

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[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately, a lot of official government services and representatives are still using it. I saw someone reference a Twitter post about that Canadian plane crash, for instance.

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[-] PassingThrough@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

So what’s the opinion here between Signal and SimpleX?

Signal gets all the attention, and seems more approachable but ties to a phone number which can be a big deal.

SimpleX ties to nothing but I could absolutely see people I know fucking it up and wondering where their “account” went.

So, Signal as an common man’s adoptable compromise and SimpleX to nerd out with full “opsec” and disposability? That about right?

[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 months ago

I'm trying to use simplex, mainly for the instance's chat. 2 things to say:

  • notifications work perfectly even without play store
  • every device has a separate account - I can't reuse the same one. Not the end of the world, but it's really annoying
[-] PassingThrough@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

From the looks of it, the variety of ways you can purposefully or accidentally destroy your local database, and the strict limits on accessing your profile, really gives me the feeling SimpleX is intended to be extremely disposable and deniable.

After playing with it I just don’t see it being used for anything expected to be convenient or ongoing. Regarding the one device per account thing, I think the whole point is you just protect your one app, nobody is sneaking in your laptop or tablet, no remote leaks possible from a sync engine. On iOS you can link to a desktop app, but your phone must remain not just on, but in the app and on the pair screen. One twitch out, PC disconnects.

Feels like something for journalists, whistleblowers, protesters, and all the bad ones. It’s a burner app for your burner phone.

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[-] Coolkat@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago

New certified Signal classic

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Twitter should have been regulated as a common carrier and one rich asshole shouldn’t have been allowed to buy it, regardless of their politics

[-] courval@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Most social media should be public domain or at least have standardised open APIs, it's the logical way to go for a free society with healthy governments and institutions. As it is right now it's like private companies owning the streets..

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The best endorsement you could get for moving to Signal.

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