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[-] Idontevenknowanymore@mander.xyz 74 points 5 days ago

I don't care if he was purple, his message was be kind to each other and we've failed to grasp even that simple philosophy.

Entirely too many people give a shit about a shitass collection of bronze age bullshit in the first place.

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Iron Age*

Get your ages straight

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[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

In todays standard Jesus would be a communist.

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

ICE would say “Papers, please” to him

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 5 days ago

I think "Gotcha, filthy Mexican!" would be more likely

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

In all fairness, most men named Jesus they would come across are either Mexican or have Mexican ancestry.

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[-] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

Really more of a communal theocracy. It says right in the New Testament that you are expected to give all of your wealth to the church, with the implicit trust that the church is meant to distribute those resources fairly, starting with those most in need.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

Lemmy moment

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

People also think that Jesus was all love and light and goodness because they ignore or don't know about the other parts about Jesus.

Like when he says, just two verses after the famous John 3:16 verse, that you worship him or go to hell:

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son

Then there's him being super racist:

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Mark 15:21-28

Or when he says in Matthew 19 that you can only divorce a woman (and, of course, a woman can't divorce a man) if she's cheating on you, essentially condoning domestic violence:

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

There's more where that came from.

I'm sure some Christian would be happy to come in here and hand wave it all away with being out of context or misinterpreted or whatever. And yet quoting the Bible out of context happens every time they go to their church and they have no issues.

People most often praise Jesus for the Golden Rule. He didn't invent it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule#Ancient_Egypt

[-] afronaut@lemmy.cafe 11 points 5 days ago

Oof. Where do I begin? You actually incorrectly cited the source of the verse you are quoting, so we’re off to a great start.

First off, you’ve incorrectly cited the verse to Mark 15:21-28 which is about Jesus’ crucifixion instead of Matthew 15:21-28 which you also sneakily removed the last two verse (27, 28) which are necessary to understand the context.

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Also, Jesus alludes to his Parable of The Lost Sheep (Matthew 18:10-14, Luke 15:3-7) when he said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”. In this context, the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15 is just one of many lost sheep.

In regards to marital divorce in Matthew 19; yea, this one is pretty easy if we take into consideration that social customs have been continuously evolving. The first verse in Matthew 18 begins with Pharisees attempting to catch Jesus in an ideological “gotcha”.

“Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

Jesus responds by saying, “…they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Keep in mind, when the Israelites were autonomous from foreign rule, they imposed the death penalty to those who committed adultery. It wasn’t until Moses that the concept of a divorce certificate was created, eliminating death to adulterers, which was a socially progressive move for that ancient time period. After all, you can’t create the act of divorce without first creating the act of marriage. I’ll continue with Matthew 19:7:

“Why then,” the Pharisees asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.”

The hearts of the people during Moses’ time had become hardened, cold, unsympathetic to those who committed adultery and sentenced them to death. The certificate of divorce that Moses proposed allowed for the hearts of people to soften instead of, you know, killing in the name of law.

So, when the Pharisees present this question to Jesus, he doesn’t actually say anything about whether women can or cannot divorce their husband, as you seem to imply. Jesus simply explains the history of the Pharisees’ own religious law back to them. They wanted him to take a definitive side so they could have him arrested for heresy and he didn’t take that bait.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago
[-] afronaut@lemmy.cafe 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well, you did incorrectly cite your source and disingenuously remove the last two verses of the passage you were trying to attack.

Adding a tag at the end of your comment that “some Christian is going to tell me I’m quoting out of context or misinterpreting the text” doesn’t dispel you of literally doing those things. Also, I didn’t “handwave” away your argument. I systematically approached each of your points and rebutted them with the correct sources.

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 5 points 5 days ago

So Jesus called gentiles dogs and only healed the daughter after her mother crawled in the dust? Not very loving, which is what OP pointed out. The two added verses don't change that.

Also, he admits here that he is there for the lost Sheep of Israel.

I always find it funny how Christians rally around a guy who called them dogs and made it clear he doesn't care about them, just because a random dude (Paul) had "visions" of Jesus 30 years after his death and from there on pretended that gentiles were part of the ingoup. While contradicting Jesus as well if the church of Jesus actual fucking brother on this very issue.

It's just wild.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 days ago

The bible contradicts itself a few times. I think ultimately faith is faith based. (shocking I know)

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

The golden rule is so stupid too, I want to be left alone, should I leave people alone? My friend likes people coming to his place unannounced, should he come to places unanounced?

It's like everyone takes the rule and twists it so it benefits/excuses how they live and do.

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 5 days ago

Considering the makeup of the population of the region back when Jesus lived, he could have had white skin due to the Roman, Greek and Anatolian (modern Turkey) presences, though light hair would be super unlikely. Of course, the most likely appearance would've been that of a common Egyptian, almond-ish skin, #D5915A, and black hair

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

This guy is directly descended from David, and therefore would have been from the same family as The Christ, just many many generations removed. The Christ probably looked very similar to the guy in this photo.

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I like my sky wizards to be of authentic skin color thank you very much.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 5 days ago

Yeah, I think Italian Renaissance painters may have pre-dated that somewhat.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

That's a ridiculous claim.

Here's a picture of Jesus' baptism from Normandy, painted in 1185.

Plenty of others here: https://smarthistory.org/standard-scenes-from-the-life-of-christ-in-art/

Europeans tended to paint Jesus as white because they didn't understand there were no photos or movies or TV around, so someone in Norman France didn't know there was an alternative possibility.

[-] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

i think it goes back a little further than some dude from the US...

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[-] rowanthorpe@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago

After reading that I just had an idea for what I think would be a good premise for a film. In the 70s Jesus "returns" in the US somewhere, but as someone who gets labelled as a black man, noone believes him. Because he keeps getting knocked down at every turn due to systemic racism, and because he is so fed-up with the "White Jesus" trope he joins the Black Panther Party. He ends up being shot by a cop. Final shot slow-zooms in to show cop's name on a tag. First name Judas.

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[-] DeadNinja@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

The first person of color to be killed by the police.

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[-] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago

Far too many people only think they're following Jesus.

[-] gimmelemmy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

I have family, DEVOUT Christians, that live in the actual holy land. I asked them "who is that?" in response to their posting a picture of white-as-fuck Jesus on the Facebook page for the family village. They have yet to respond

[-] Furball@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago

Levantine people don’t have very dark skin, they definitely aren’t as white as Western Europeans though

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[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago

He rode into battle on his noble T-Rex named Herbert. He can be any color he wants.

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[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Very nice episode about this came out lately on the 99% Invisible podcast. Here's the link: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/615-your-own-personal-jesus/

[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

When you picture God what skin color do you see? What gender do you see?

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

The people who can reason that out probably aren’t very religious.

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Modern day Palestinians come in all shades from "white" to "black". As someone who studied and argued the genealogy and ancestry of the region, here's the gist of it:

  1. Ancient Egyptians and Ancient Levantines are closely related.
  2. The closest people to Ancinet Egyptians are modern day Egyptians.
  3. The closest people to Ancient Levantines are modern day Yemenis, then Saudis.
  4. Modern Levantines reflect millennia of migrations and conquests since the collapse of the Bronze Age.
[-] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

The original whitewashing

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