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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 49 points 2 weeks ago

Denuclearizing worked out so well for Ukraine.

[-] Garibaldee@lemm.ee 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Having less nukes is not the same as disarmament it's not even comparable. They dropped two nukes and did that much destruction in Japan, 2, and those were 1940s nukes, even with this change the US would still have thousands of nukes.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-nuclear-weapons-exist-and-who-has-them/

the United States admits to having 5,550

Ukraine went to 0 nukes, the US has 5000+ nukes, how would that even be comparable if the US let's say went down to 1000 nukes. That's still 1000 nukes more than 0.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Nukes wouldn't have saved them from being couped

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 weeks ago

Looking at these comments: so now liberals love nuclear weapons?

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Not trusting Russia used to be bipartisan.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago

This isn't something you should be proud of lol

[-] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

Not really, you people just killed and imprisoned anyone that wasn't racist towards Russians for years until there wasn't anyone outwardly neutral or positive towards Russia.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

Bilateral denuclearization agreements with Russia used to be bipartisan, too.

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[-] dx1@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Americans are ruled by a politics of opposition. Anything Trump does, the opposite must be good. Anything Biden does, the opposite must be good. Nobody thinks about anything from scratch.

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago
[-] balsoft@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Since this actually sounds like a good decision... Over/under on Trump promising to double the amount of nukes and turn China into a nuclear wasteland unless they do something for him, by the end of next week?

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[-] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was gonna make a joke about this being the thing that finally makes Democrats fight Trump... But then I saw all the pro-nuke .world comments. We're so cooked

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

so he is about to sell america out. good luck, voters

i guess ill look forward to /conservativeMemes about how bending the knee is is a good thing.

“hUrRr rUsSiA sTaNdS fOr PeAcE iN eUrOpE”

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah with all the ways he seems to be actively trying to ruin the country I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see him have the US do it first and then the others "can follow" after they see we did it.

Except what they'll follow with are nukes aimed at us to ensure we can never get in their ways again. :/

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'll believe it when I see it. Military spending increased in his first term and talk is cheap.

If he actually followed through on cutting the military budget by half, it'd be an incredible move and I'd start considering him the lesser evil. But it's all for show, it's triangulation to appeal to certain groups. End of the day, he's a right winger and right wingers won't cut the military.

[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

love me a foreign asset president.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

An American does something bad I'm America in an American way:

Liberals: "this is the fault of foreigners!"

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[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

Denuclearization is a good thing.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes it's a good thing, but the US is utterly devoid of honour and trustworthiness and there's no chance they will actually follow through with denuclearizing their own arsenal, so this proposal is meaningless and no country should take it seriously.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No it's not. Maybe you haven't heard but there is a war in Ukraine. They gave up nukes in exchange for pinky swear promises that their sovereignty would be respected.

I dont care if you think Ukraine couldn't use them or if they would have been invaded if they didn't agree. The Ukraine war is a giant fucking advertisement for owning nukes.

The only thing psychotic hairless apes understand is immense violence. We are not civilized. We are cavemen with atom bombs and spaceships.

Every country should own nukes. Every country without nukes doesn't matter and is ripe for exploitation or invasion.

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

USA have absolutely abysmal records of upholding nuclear disarmament so IF it is even a serious proposition, the reason for it it's the quickly incoming time when Minutemen missiles will have to be decomissioned while its replacement is so much overbudget and overtime that it seriously risk scrapping of entire project. Meaning the perspective USA will lose main part of its strategic armament is real.

Also you never, ever trust USA on any nuclear deals.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Also let's not forget that the US is literally hiring Elon Musk to help then "win" the nuclear war, their words not mine.

How anyone can think their denuclearization proposal is in good faith is beyond me.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago

“We’re all spending a lot of money that we could be spending on other things that are actually, hopefully much more productive,” Trump said.

🫨

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[-] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

So what's gonna happen when a finger on the monkey's paw curls for this?

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[-] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Everyone's perspective is the same on Lemmy it seems or close and its getting old so much snide comments and negativity. We all should consider this a win regardless of how goofy any side is, its the thought that this approach is reaching the decision makers. Planting the seed.

I think this is likely one of the smartest things Trump has ever persued if it comes to fruition even partially a mere slither. The modern battlefield is fought with technology. Using drones/robots and infosec psyop and the list goes on and on.

Conventional war has more risk than worth now days leaves nothing but a pile of rocks nothing to claim but dirt.

While I don't think anyone will give them up soon sure even bad actors will hodl old means eventually the value prop and cost to maintain will sputter out, we all should know we have been heading that direction for a very long time. Progress no matter how small is a step in the right direction.

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[-] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

The man’s playing 4D chess with nukes again. Proposing to halve defense budgets while the world’s still a tinderbox—classic Trumpian audacity. Because inviting autocrats to a firesale on their only leverage is peak stability strategy.

Russia’s already ditched New START, China’s sprinting toward nuclear parity, and here we are, recycling the same failed playbook. Arms control via vibes and handshakes—because trusting Putin and Xi to pinky-swear their way to disarmament worked so well last time.

The math doesn’t lie: Cold War stockpiles could glass the planet a hundred times over. Modernizing them isn’t strategy—it’s a pissing contest funded by taxpayer dollars. But slashing budgets unilaterally? That’s not diplomacy; it’s naivety with a side of geopolitical Russian roulette.

Maybe focus on not setting the Middle East and Ukraine ablaze first. Priorities, folks.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What he actually wants is denuclearization for only China and Russia so the US can use its unchecked nuclear force to threaten the world.

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