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[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

~~Google~~ America is on the Wrong side of History.

[-] SnotFlickerman 159 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Literally every publicly owned corporation that is at the mercy of shareholders is on the wrong side of history.

As this shit gets normalized, watch all of them fall in line.

Apple is already back advertising on X.

Corporations only care about money, and they will change their values to match what makes money.

They never accepted women, blacks, latinos, LGBTQ+, and the disabled into their ranks because they thought those people were humans who had intrinsic value just for existing.

No, they accepted them because they knew they were leaving money on the table. They could market shaving to women to increase razor blade sales, because now women employees would have money to spend. They could market hair care products to the black community because now their black employees would have money to spend.

It was always about expanding markets and finding more people to sell shit to. Once that stops being profitable in the USA, treating those people like humans will stop. Watch it happen with the disabled and LGBTQ+ first.

It was never just Rainbow Capitalism, because this shit literally goes all the way back to Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights eras. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[-] holdstrong@lemm.ee 32 points 5 days ago

Corporations just reflect the values of their owners. There are companies that emphasize things other than revenue, but as soon as a company goes public and becomes controlled by Wall Street, profit becomes their sole motivation

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

This is why the stock market was, fundamentally, a trojan horse. It was created so capitalism could intertwine the peoples wealth and retirement funds to the success of the wealth of the oligarchy, making the entire market too big to fail.

Now the entire system is designed to prevent damage to companies, no matter how moral, unethical, or criminal. The success of corporations IS treated as equal to "national security".

[-] SkyeStarfall 3 points 4 days ago

In the end, the stock market is a natural logical progression from the starts of capitalism, and the situation we are in today is again closer to capitalism logical conclusion

From capitalism's basic principles, profit above literally everything was always bound to happen. Just how evolution happens through natural selection. It's a similar process. Because ultimately capitalism is an economic system built on competition, not cooperation.

[-] Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Yup, but most people have savings or some kind of pension, both are often put into the stock market by the bank or pension fund to give us the interest we want.

We need to try and exercise more of our power as stakeholder in these companies, in the end we still have the power to not use products from these massive corporations. Stop order from shit like Amazon, but go and order from smaller stores, switch search engine and browser, etc.

[-] criitz@reddthat.com 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Capitalism is amoral

EDIT: to be clear that's A-moral not IM-moral

[-] SnotFlickerman 9 points 5 days ago

No ethical consumption under capitalism, yep.

[-] ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Leave such takes for .ml, please.

[-] ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Unfortunately alternatives aren't any better...

Your right.

Change is difficult so we should just give up.

[-] pogmommy 3 points 4 days ago

Man too bad all I've got to eat is this cyanide. Those cookies over there? Don't you know how unhealthy those are?

[-] ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Socialism is cyanide and capitalism is cookies. The former will kill you instantly, the second one long-term (diabetes etc.) – what we're looking for is fruit and vegetables, but for now I'm more than glad to eat some cookies.

[-] Metju@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Frankly, the problem with socialism (and with anything else, for that matter) is that it takes one high-up enough asshole to ruin things for everyone.

Then again, I have little-to-no proposals to counter your argument, so I guess it's back to cookies and diabetes for us

[-] SkyeStarfall 3 points 4 days ago

They very much are, there's just little to no political will to implement them

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago

They could market shaving to women to increase razor blade sales, because now women employees would have money to spend.

That makes zero sense. Paying people so they can spend a tiny fraction of it back to your company? Why not just keep the money in the first place?

No, they hire them because they've run the math and realized it costs less to hire them than that it costs them in sales due to public perception.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 days ago

You might need to pause and think a bit more. Corporations are competing for money. There isn’t just one big pile of money somewhere.

[-] AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

All the CEOs are dick riding Trump because they know the playbook. You've never seen kowtowing this hard before because you've never witnessed the rise of christofascism. They know what's coming/here, and that the god emperor is all that matters going forward.

You'll understand when the midterms are obviously rigged and voting canceled in 2028. Right now you're just thinking "maybe but not really" because you still have food in the fridge and dismiss this as hyperbolic. You're witnessing the rise of Nazi Germany in real time and doing nothing about it.

[-] Fungah@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

You're not from America are you?

I ask this because you seem to actually grasp what's happening.

[-] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago

It's a capitalist corporation that sold its soul to the highest bidder. Of course it's evil. It's based on greed and exploitation.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Been that way since before the “Don’t be evil” slogan was removed in 2018.

[-] pogmommy 8 points 4 days ago

That's just when they let the mask slip. It's not like they were saints up til that point.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Hence “before they removed” the slogan.

[-] dan@upvote.au 2 points 3 days ago

I don't think they actually removed that slogan though? They moved it from the start of the Code of Conduct to the end, but it's still there: https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/

[-] WatDabney@fedia.io 54 points 4 days ago

Inevitably, all hierarchical organizations end up on the wrong side of history.

In hierarchies, people compete for position.

People with principles, morals, integrity and/or empathy will have choices that they simply will not make.

People without those things are not constrained. They can and will make whatever choices might benefit them, with no regard for the consequences to others.

So all other things being more or less equal, psychopaths actually have a competitive advantage in hierarchies, and hierarchies end up effectively rewarding and thus selecting for psychopathy.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

And if there is one uniting principle in conservatism, the singular reason why religious dirt-poor common-clay-of-the-West support billionaires, is that they all deeply believe in hierarchies.

Why do they go after trans-women but not trans-men? Because men are naturally higher in the hierarchy than women, thus wanting to exist in male spaces (but not actually crossing into them) is seen as the proper order, whereas wanting to exist in female spaces (read: lowering yourself in the hierarchy) is seen as unnatural.

Why do they fellate the rich? Because the wealthy are better people, which is tautologically why they're rich.

Why are they racist? Because white people are better than not-white people, natch.

Why do they hate atheists? Because the very concept of religion implicitly enforces hierarchy. Sectarian disputes are just an offshoot of this.

Progressives are much the same way, but with different hierarchies. Progressives seem to love big government hierarchies which a strong executive branch enforcing a bunch of regulations.

That's what you get from a two party system, you get two groups with a fetish for different types of hierarchies.

Reject hierarchy and push for local rule, it's what we in the box like to call liberty.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

You're conflating two unrelated things to make some weird anti-government point.

Conservatives believe that hierarchical structures are the natural order of things. That is, things on top of the hierarchy deserve to be there, because otherwise they'd be at the bottom. Conservatism as a political philosophy requires the belief that some people are just better than others.

A belief that a strong government is required to enforce equality in the population is nothing like that.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Progressivism is the other side of that coin, a belief that we need strong hierarchy with the "right people" at the top to have a functioning society. It's the same basic idea that we either need or deserve strong leadership.

For some reason those two are being pitched at the only valid ideas, probably because those at the top benefit from people believing that. There are other ideas, they just don't have that "quick solution" people seem to crave that only comes from top down control.

Just because one side of the coin is bad doesn't make the other side good. Get a better coin.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How in the hell is wanting strong regulations the same thing as believing in racial suppremacy?

Also there are endless examples of countries with strong regulations and more than two parties

I didn't say it was. I said it's a similar fetish for hierarchy, just a different kind.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 8 points 4 days ago

There are some offsetting factors that also prevent the "best and brightest" from rising to power: https://dealbreaker.com/2007/10/icahn-explains-why-are-there-so-many-idiots-running-shit

He moves up the corporate ladder, without a single original idea that might make his boss feel threatened by his potential.

Eventually, he gets to be the #2 guy at the company. He's a little dumber than the C.E.O., but the board likes him, so he eventually gets to be C.E.O.

Of course, he assigns a #2 who is a little dumber than he is. "And eventually, we're going to have all morons running our companies," Icahn concluded. "We might not be that far off from that right now."

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

This seems relevant here…

[-] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago

We knew this as soon as they got rid of the “Don’t be evil” slogan

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago

☞ We knew this as soon as they got the “Don’t be evil” slogan

if you need to remind yourself not to be evil, that's already a bad start.

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago
[-] SnotFlickerman 8 points 5 days ago

🌍 👩‍🚀 🔫 👩‍🚀

[-] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago
[-] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Fuck what they stand for and implemented. The technologies developed are useful but the maliciousness of it ruins everything. So fuck that part of them.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Ever heard of JP Morgan or GE? Doesn’t matter.

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