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[-] leadore@lemmy.world 100 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Let's get over the idea that it's a generation war and not a class war. Thinking all boomers are rich and own houses is like thinking all gen z are lazy. Neither is true by a long shot, but this is what the oligarchs and corporations want us to think about each other so we get distracted and don't notice that they are the ones buying up all the housing so we can't and they can rent to us at whatever price they want. Let's stick together against them instead.

edit to add: And BTW don't forget the next gens are growing up in an even worse situation and will face the effects of living under an autocracy and the effects of unaddressed climate change, while you get old and boomers are gone. Who do you think they're going to blame? You, that's who, while those in power laugh at all of us.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago

Something else: even boomers who own houses can still be poor and struggle to make ends meet.

"Oh, why don't you just sell your house then!" 'cause then they and their family have no place to live. "But you could rent!" Yeah, that will work for a while and then they'll be poor again.

[-] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Let's also stop using terms like Gen Z or Boomers altogether. They are often used by the media to make articles seem more interesting to certain target groups. But from a scientific point of view, they are about as meaningful as zodiac signs.

"Here's why Cancers can't keep their money together and why Scorpios nevertheless are constantly jealous of their standard of living."

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[-] AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 27 points 5 days ago

Two people had unprotected sex forcing my existence. I owe nobody anything let alone spending the majority of my unconsenting existence as a wage slave.

[-] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Wow, that kind of self-agency is sooo entitled! Just be a good little wage slave until the boomers die off. They've had a comfy life. Can't let them lose any of that comfort now! /s

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 71 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

its not the 40 hour work week thats the issue.

Its how much productivity is demanded in that 40 hours. and the compensation for it.

and theres a LOT more productivity demanded from workers today, than there was in 1950.

Because all the technologies that were supposed to make life easier... didnt. They just increased the amount of things we can/have to do in a day.

People working today are doing more labor, producing more effort per hour than 70 years ago, but are being paid less in purchasing power for it... and if thats not a recipe for violent upheaval i dont know what is.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Back before the clock was invented, agricultural workers had about 160 days of the year to themselves. (Admittedly, to do intensive chores.) Also, employers gave free breakfast and lunch, with a bit of beer. Workers might also do as low as 4 hours of work IIRC, depending on the day and season. Below is a video on the subject. Civilis also covers topics, such as the fall of the Roman republic...which feels awfully relevant, nowadays.

Historia Civilis - Work.

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[-] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

The amount of time that corporations feel entitled to is ridiculous. I've quit my last two positions because these billion dollar companies feel that they own you for every second when you're on the clock. It feels exploitative and gives you the sense that you're just some beast of burden. We're humans, not machines to push production to the maximum. But all the higher-ups see is bottom line pushers.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 5 days ago

My last job at a call center was staffed in such a way that they were basically on the phone continuously for their entire shift with no downtime between calls. This meant anytime something happened to increase call volume all the metrics the bean counters cared about went to shit. Their solution was to tighten the screws and demand lower handle times and better adherence from their already burnt out staff and cracking down on anyone who wasn't logged in when they were supposed to be. Meanwhile the supervisors were leaving to go run errands and shit whenever they felt like it. Turnover quickly got ridiculous.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

It's fun when it is extended beyond work hours, too. Email/IMs/texts/Teams/Slack/whateverelsethefuck from people round the clock and on the weekend. Calls when on vacation. People asking if you could cancel your vacation just before going on one planned months in advance because of some contrived milestone. Stuff like that.

Oh, and I'm Gen-X - this kind of thing has been around since I started work, but it does seem like it's increasing as a "norm". People doing performative shit in public, and now others assuming this is expected - like how many commits you are doing FOR FREE on Github, or fake internet points on Stack Overflow, as an example. I honestly feel sorry for people that fall for this, thinking it's a way to break into a job, or that they must do this to maintain one.

Though I do think that Covid did a modicum of a reset on some of the grindset nonsense. Of course, I think all the really big tech companies colluded with one another to then start doing massive layoffs to make sure that everyone still knew who was calling the tune (even if it made no sense to cut staff). Lots of managers have a real xitter envy - they'd love to cut their company to the very bone and run the place like absolute tyrants like they see fElon doing. Thing is, it is obviously a stupid way to run a business - xitter is just a Nazi bar with questionable business fundamentals at this point. But it doesn't stop useless copycat monkeys in the C-suite from thinking he's great.

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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 115 points 6 days ago

My parents holding fast with "well, it's always been like that" made me realize how big this generational divide is.

There are good boomers who get it, yes. There are also some really dumb ones who have literally no clue what kind of world they helped create. Full stop.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 82 points 6 days ago

And there are some Nazi gen z. We have to pull together the good ones from every generation and become helpers together. We can't bitch about the ones that are shit, there are shit people in every generation, so it's a waste of time and a distraction.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

Yes, 100% this. There are plenty of boomers that got reamed by various elitist schemes, too. People right on the cusp of retirement only to have everything wiped out by something like an Enron or the real-estate bubble and they get to keep working another 10+ years...I think people have rose-colored glasses when it comes to the things boomers faced, too. It was not all sunshine and roses for everyone in that age bracket. It is lunacy to suggest that it was/is.

There may be some boomers doing nefarious things like Blackstone, driving up the cost of living for everyone, but I bet there are some very, very young people in schemes like that, too, making lots of money. Or individuals like fElon's boyz - I don't think the Dogebags are boomers. And fElon himself is Gen X....

Then there are headlines that I see like this that run counter to virtually everything you'd hear about Gen Y in recent years:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/your-money/millennials-financially-baby-boomers/

Lastly when the bullshit inter-generational warfare is whipped up, I remember this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HFwok9SlQQ

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[-] Slam_Eye@lemmy.ca 44 points 6 days ago

I've gotta say i admire Zoomers a lot. Im a 1990 millenial and most of my generation simply put their heads down and pushed through and tried to emulate their boomers parents while not living their boomer parents reality, destroying themselves in the process. It seems that almost collectively your generation has said FUCK THIS SHIT and made moves to end it.

Its really impressive.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

I don't know about that. I'm a 1990 millennial and the vast majority of ppl my age collectively said fuck giving the extra effort for no return. I remember reading in my 20s that millennials pretty much gave up on retirement and started traveling.

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[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

Re-title this article as "Lazy, Tired Workers Are Mad At Youthful Workers Like Lazy, Tired Workers 60 Years Ago Were Mad At Them 60 Years Ago".

[-] ours@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Another "Don't mind the billionaires getting richer and fight each other for the scraps instead" article.

[-] _carmin@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago

I was talking to a boomer here in Canada. When I asked him why he stayed in the same company for 30 years he said, hey they kept giving me promotions and increasing my salary from the first year. As well as having a work pension plan. Just with a bachelor's and no beginning experience.

MFs be asking masters and years of experience from new grades.

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[-] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 31 points 6 days ago

Among all my friends, there are two clear common denominators between those who rent and those who own houses. The ones renting have office jobs and live in the capital, while the ones who own houses live in smaller cities or the countryside and work in manual labor.

I’m not saying correlation is causation, but it’s an interesting observation - and so far, it applies to 100% of my friends.

[-] Ronno@feddit.nl 13 points 6 days ago

Or have office jobs and commute a bit longer.

People say I'm crazy for commuting 1,5 hours (one way). But I get to go home to my own property. Especially now with hybrid working still being a thing, I only go to the office once or twice a week.

[-] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I must agree with the people saying you're crazy for having that long commute. That's over a month spent getting to and from work every year. Time is the most valuable asset in the entire world. By working we're trading time for money but for the time spent commuting you're not even getting paid. I would seriously consider trying to find an alternative solution to this.

[-] Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 days ago

If they go to the office twice a week with an hour and a half commute each way that's six hours a week driving. So 52 weeks a year that's 312 hours or 13 days. Still not great but my commute is about 30min one way. I work five days a week so five hours a week, which would still be about 10 2/3 days a year. They also said they only have to commute once OR twice a week so they still probably drive less then the 13 days a year.

I'm just saying, sounds like a good deal

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[-] Wisas62@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Let's talk about suburbs. These generations left the city because they couldn't afford it. Now suddenly living 5 mins from work is expected but then the an entry level job can't afford it and it's a generational difference? Can you afford to buy a house within 45 mins to your work? Hell ya where I live but you don't have immediate access to all city amenities.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago

Watch out the propaganda of government and ruling class trying to divide the public and turn people against each others. Boomers are idiots but owning a house is peanuts compared to billionares expenses or the money being spent on military weapons.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Ever wonder how "work ethic" became a trait that defines the quality of an individual? You can probably guess. Religion. Which of course needed people to work hard so they could donate more money to them.

My dad worked two full time jobs for a while to help the family get ahead while we were little. I think spending time with his young children would have been time better spent for everyone. He did stop when we got to school age. And he did spend a lot of time with us. Was a scout master, tball coach, all that. So I know he probably would have rather been with us than working that extra job. But from a young age it was drilled into him that work came first.

Now with younger people less into religion. We see more and more who realize that working hard for someone else doesn't need to be a defining characterist of a person's quality.

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[-] skaarl@feddit.nl 11 points 6 days ago

‘Most WHITE boomers don’t know what it’s like to work 40+ hours a week and still not be able to afford a house’ FTFY

People have been working 40+ hours a week for CENTURIES with no hope of affording a house. The housing that non-whites have been able to secure is always tenuous, subject to the racist whims of the ruling class. They could be rezoned, subject to a new law that strips them of their property, or even what happens in Palestine the racist ruling class just bulldozes your house with no compensation.

This is definitely not about Gen Z vs Boomers, but the ruling class wants you to think it is so we don't unite and make heads roll.

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