317
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Summary

The term "DEI" (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) has become a coded way for Republicans to conceal their anti-Black racism, echoing past racist dog whistles.

This parallels with Lee Atwater’s 1981 admission that conservatives used abstract terms like “states’ rights” to mask racism.

Today, figures like Alina Habba, Tim Burchett, and far-right influencers use "DEI hire" to discredit qualified Black figures.

The media's failure to challenge this rhetoric allows racism to persist, making "DEI" a modern substitute for explicit racial slurs.

all 46 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 138 points 5 months ago

The insinuation that if you see any woman or person of color in a position of power, prestige, or even competence, they got there because of identity politics and not their own merit, is directly bigoted, not even concealed by the first or second degree. The corollary, of course, is that you can only trust white men to do these important jobs correctly.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

That’s sexist! They also think SOME jobs can be done by women but only if they are cis-women

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

But if you get too good at that job, the insinuation changes and you must've had sex with your manager in order to get a raise/promotion.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 months ago

Someone (I think at Do) literally said the “we need white men in charge” line out loud in those words.

[-] snakedrake@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Isn't this why DEI needs to be pulled back though?

People of color and women do get their status on their own but the policy of DEI implies that they got additional assistance even if they didn't. This policy robs them of their achievements and it generates as much resentment towards protected groups as it provides protection. You can't just tell the people not to feel resentment, or you'll get republicans in office forever. We should start advocating for class based workplace assistance rather than dividing ourselves up by race and sex. You'll help out basically the same people, but you'll get class solidarity.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

DEI isn't a hiring quota or mandate to prefer a minority candidate over a non-minority candidate. It is the mindset that different experiences, backgrounds, cultures, and viewpoints provide more variety and richer ideas than a single homogenous set, and as such, those differences should be considered as a positive along with other qualifiers as part of the hiring process. A company that values DEI still hires straight white men (speaking as one who works for such a company), as ours is still a viewpoint that should be represented and adds value. But they may also choose a minority candidate over a white male candidate with comparable qualifications if they fill a gap in experiences or culture that the company/team is missing. However, in fact, the reverse is true. If a team is oversaturated with, say, Indians, women, LGBT, etc., a straight American male candidate may be the preferred hire in that case. Should that white guy feel like he needs to justify his position?

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

The practice you describe is explicitly illegal in almost all employment circumstances in the United States.

[-] snakedrake@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Um no. No one should have to justify the spot in an organization based on their culture, race, sexual orientation or gender. I think your scenario illustrates how ridiculous caring intensely about cultural background is for hiring situations. Wouldn't diversity of hobbies, or college education backgrounds be just as valid? Business should be about business, not crafting the perfect society. If you're a good person and a good fit for the role then you're a good fit.

I believe diversity is a admiral goal for an organization. I just don't think DEI policies give enough benefits to the groups they want to protect to be worth the negative second order effects.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wouldn't diversity of hobbies, or college education backgrounds be just as valid?

They are. I've been asked about hobbies and such before in interviews (my boss even brings somw of them up when we are doing introductions to new hires/interns) and my boss remarked in my interview that he had never interviewed someone that went to my college. Those things are factors.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

DEI is popular in finance. If a bank is engaging in polices to increase diversity, equity, and inclusion it is because it makes them more money than not following these programs.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 10 points 5 months ago

I won't say if I agree or disagree with you, but the argument you make is absolutely a legitimate one that we as a society should be considering in an ongoing process. Some level of forced integration was absolutely necessary after the end of slavery, but we all should want to live in a future where it's not necessary at all. How far along that scale we are, and how we push further in that direction are questions that current policy discussions largely ignore.

However, we also have to contend with the fact that overt racism is still rampant and that a large part of this country doesn't want a reasonable national conversation on the topic. The noise coming from the right makes it next to impossible for these conversations to occur. Sadly, that's why the politicians who rely on bigotry embrace that rhetoric, whether they are personally racist or not.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

However, we also have to contend with the fact that overt racism is still rampant and that a large part of this country doesn't want a reasonable national conversation on the topic.

Aye, there's the rub

[-] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

Getting rid of a DEI initiative doesnt fix any of that though. We'd simply go back to the times of, "oh who'd she sleep with to get this job?"

[-] snakedrake@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Inefficient and poorly managed companies might. I think it's obvious that women are often more competent then their peers, and their workplace value is obvious to anyone in leadership positions.

[-] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 1 points 5 months ago

So, white men got there only based on their skin and gender? So therefore they are incompetent?

[-] Yodan@lemm.ee 58 points 5 months ago

DEI, Woke, Left, Commie, etc are all the same word to them. There will be a new one too don't worry. It always means "stuff I don't personally like for either a religious or hateful reason and you can't convince me otherwise" and it's just a boogeyman of stories and ideas that never actually happen irl but somehow get quoted and shared around as if it were a real thing and then uninformed people get scared and vote for strong daddy man.

It's so dumb and telegraphed, make it stop already.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile, people on the Left will spend weeks arguing the difference between Socialist and Social Democrat.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah... the nitpicking in-fighting from people that spend waaaaay too much time delineating groups rather than working for a common cause was particularly fun in the last election. "We're not the Judean People's Front! We're the People's Front of Judea!"

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Yet god forbid you recognize that fascism cones in different flavors than Nazism. Mussolini was not a nazi nor was Peron yet both were fascists

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

If you're going to put words in my mouth, please serve them with fries and a side salad.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

My point is how leftists will spend a lot of time differentiating between the various types of leftism but seemingly don’t get that all fascists are not Nazis.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

I think I understand your point now.

I saw a lot of people going off on how Genocide Joe was as bad as Hitler, and they could never vote for him.

Haven't heard too much from them lately.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

What's there to talk about? Leftists kept trying to tell you that the Democrats were going to lose the election if they didn't start listening to their base. The Democrats didn't listen to their base, and got walloped everywhere.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

And if you're a Leftist and didn't go all in helping the Dems, you've got exactly nothing to be proud of.

I donated to Bernie in 2016 and 2020 and 2024 and every time the Left managed not to organize and get him nominated.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It’s more how if you point out Trump’s actions are more in line with Orban and Mussolini rather than the Nazis you get called a Nazi sympathizer rather than just being better informed on fascist philosophy/beliefs/delusions.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

I wouldn't bother; it's a distinction without a difference.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

There’s a significant difference as most fascists do not engage in attempts to eliminate parts of humanity in order to facilitate the creation of a master race. Not all fascists are that level of crazy.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Reminds me of an old joke.

They ask Brezhnev about Stalin. Leonid says that Stalin was completely insane and that he'd let 50 million people die before he changed one of his policies.

"If five million people died because of me, that would make me reconsider."

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

You're absolutely correct, but I prefer "Nazi" solely because that word specifically has it's own level of disgust to me, and I want to convey that level of disgust for republicans. No other shorthand carries the proper emotional connotation for me.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 40 points 5 months ago

There's a tradeshow a client of mine is attending where the DEI talk has been rebranded "Justice, Equality, Diversity and Inclusion" — JEDI.

Thought that was kinda clever actually.

[-] Birdie@thelemmy.club 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They ALWAYS think DEI means hiring an inferior, less qualified person instead of the superior, more qualified white man.

That is because they cannot and will not believe any other race or sex could ever be equal to or better than the lowest white man.

They are certainly racist, they always have been and always will be. As far as I am concerned, every Republican is racist, and if they ever hire or appoint a POC or a woman, it's tokenism, not because they truly believe the hire is the best person for the job.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 30 points 5 months ago
[-] misfitx@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

They mean civil rights. Our rights are being taken away.

[-] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

The GOP’s DEI panic is just recycled bigotry with a thesaurus. Trump’s crew rebranding exclusion as “anti-wokeness” — a moral panic for donors and pundits to feast on. They’re not defending merit; they’re erasing history.

Republicans framing equity as oppression is peak gaslighting. Every crusade against “divisive concepts” reveals their real fear: a future where their cultural monopoly crumbles. DEI isn’t the threat—their irrelevance is.

This isn’t policy. It’s a smokescreen for institutionalizing resentment. When they scream “reverse racism,” what they mean is “keep the hierarchy intact.” The roadmap’s clear: manufacture enemies, sell outrage, cash checks. Democracy as a looted storefront.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 months ago

"DEI" is GOP's hard 'r'.

[-] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Remember my friends, when Nazis started to control the Jewish population of Germany, the first restrictions inacted were limits to where the Jewish people could work, specifically it limited a Jewish person’s ability to be hired for a government position based on the bullshit notion that Jewish people weren’t as reliable as a German person. This was known as, “Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service" of April 7, 1933.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewish-legislation-in-prewar-germany

[-] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

The R in republican stands for racist

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's why I keep saying banning a word or making a world "not professional" doesn't do anything as long as people's though doesn't change. Like saying "don't say black, say african American" doesn't make them suddenly like them, they'll still be racist. Changing words will just make them use a new word to mean the same thing.

Yeah there might be emotional things about certain words and not wanting people to use it can be understandable. It might be a step is a direction if it's to be less humiliating or be inclusive. But just saying "don't use this word, use this word instead" will make the new word mean the same thing with same derogatory meaning if people use the new word derogatorily. Now DEI has become that new word, and instead of claiming the word back, owning it, people might go "don't say DEI" and come up with a completely new acronym while trying to "heal" from the past administration.

this post was submitted on 11 Feb 2025
317 points (100.0% liked)

politics

24800 readers
2218 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS