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Summary

A Congressional Research Service report states Trump lacks the authority to abolish USAID, as congressional approval is required.

It explains that a 1998 law briefly allowed reorganization but expired in 1999. While past administrations have modified USAID's functions, they consulted Congress.

Lawmakers are concerned about Trump's executive order pausing foreign aid and potential USAID-State Department consolidation.

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[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

Authority means nothing anymore. Only power does.

The Liberals still don't understand that.

The US has two options to reverse course now

  1. indefinite general strike and civil disobedience, damanding resignation of entire administration.
  2. Military coup.
[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 44 points 23 hours ago

People don't seem to understand that there is a whole new order now. Previously, we said the President can't do X, Y, or Z, and we relied on long-standing norms, beliefs, and traditions as a self-enforcing mechanism. We told the President "You can't", and he said "Okay". But now, we're saying "You can't", and Trump is saying "Who says I can't, and what are you going to do about it?", knowing that the answer is largely "Nothing."

This is the way it works now.

Unless there is something directly in the Constitution explicitly saying that Trump cannot do something, then as far as Trump is concerned, he can and will do it.

Even if there is something in the Constitution explicitly stating that Trump cannot do something, Trump is going to do it anyway to see if anybody is willing to enforce it.

If nobody is willing or able to stop him, Trump essentially has the power to do it.

Even if a court ruling were to prevent Trump from directly shutting down a federal agency like USAID, what's to just stop him from firing the entire staff and saying "Sure, USAID can remain open. It'll just have zero employees.". Then what?

[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

I get it, he's doing all kinds of shit that's illegal now. And I get it, people need to stand up to him.

At the same time, let's not do his work for him by treating it like a forgone conclusion he will do whatever he wants.

Sometimes politicians, law enforcement and just rank & file workers need assurance and official blessing to not comply.

I don't like how things are going at all, and want to be clear eyed about the situation. Still, lets not assume it's all over, cause it's not.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

I get it, he’s doing all kinds of shit that’s illegal now. And I get it, people need to stand up to him.

At the same time, let’s not do his work for him by treating it like a forgone conclusion he will do whatever he wants.

Have you not been paying attention? Have you seen even the slightest smidge of indication that anyone in power will stand up to him? Because right now, he's doing whatever he wants and being rewarded for it, and that doesn't look like it's going to change any time soon.

Sometimes politicians, law enforcement and just rank & file workers need assurance and official blessing to not comply.

And right now the official word they're getting is comply, be fired, or be sent to Gitmo/El Salvador. There is nobody in a position to be able to give them "an official blessing to not comply" even if they wanted to. If you want, I'll give you my official blessing not to comply. It carries just as much weight right now (read: none).

I don’t like how things are going at all, and want to be clear eyed about the situation. Still, lets not assume it’s all over, cause it’s not.

I wish I had your optimism. But right now, every political body that could stand up to Trump is either marching in lockstep with him or rolling over and playing dead. That optimism right now just isn't based in reality.

[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Didn't things look worse when Nazi Germany was at its height? Didn't things look worse when slavery was at its height?

The state of the world has been much worse before, and things still got better.

We have to acknowledge that a lot of people died, and a lot more were hurt, before things got better. And it may come to that in our times as well. But barring nuclear disaster, things can improve. And one prerequisite is not agreeing to lay down and die.

Like I said, I get it. Seems like anyone with any real power doesn't recognize the severity of the situation. Seems like there's no justice. Are you going to say "no point in trying"? I don't think so because you wouldn't be so mad about it if you didn't care. I don't have the answer. But believing change is possible is a crucial ingredient in change happening.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 83 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I love all these "it's illegal" and "he has no authority" articles.

Until someone stops him, he has the authority. The man isn't going to stop because you wave a piece of paper at him, and neither are his cronies.

I hope these kinds of stories embolden or empower the folks trying to stand up to him, but its already clear he'll physically remove people from offices if needed. How long before the dissenters are just on the next plane to Gitmo while every Republican voter either cheers him on, stands by silently, or doesn't even know it's happening?

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

This is going to end up with a whole lot of people getting lynched by angry mobs.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago
  1. Who's angry mobs are going to be victorious, is the question.
  2. That's not where things will end. That's where they'll start.
[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

God damnit. This sounds like some cyberpunk bullshit story and were fucking living it.

[-] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 2 points 16 hours ago

It's because it is, it's literally the end goal. Look up Balaji Srinivasan, the guy that came up with the idea of replacing traditional nation-states with decentralized, corporate-run regions, and wrote about it in a whole-ass book called "The Network State: How To Start a New Country". These assholes read cyberpunk and decided it was an excellent idea because they all thought they'd be Arasaka or Pharmakom.

[-] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 3 points 19 hours ago

Nowhere near enough people understand this. Challenging these things in court isn't going to matter when the courts are all shut down. The DOJ has already advised that he can ignore court injunctions. The US government is being rapidly dismantled. The rule of law no longer exists.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

It's cute that anyone thinks Trump cares or that the Republicans won't remove it of president musk demands it.

[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 22 points 23 hours ago

Okay well he's done it

[-] superkret@feddit.org 51 points 1 day ago

Meanwhile USAID's employees are threatened and their servers seized by 20-somethings who refuse to give their name.
It boggles my mind how you can just...waltz into a government department with no legal basis, and people just comply.

[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago
[-] echutaaa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Well in this case the president is, and anyone in his service that he’d pardon.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 11 points 23 hours ago

We will condemn with the strongest possible terms as we watch.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

he doesn't have 'authority' to do many of the things he's currently getting away with.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

He has implicit Congressional Approval as long as the GOP maintain a majority and sit back, doing nothing.

Twenty-something years from now, we’ll all be quoting “First they came for the migrants, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a migrant; then they came for the foreign aid workers, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a foreign aid worker…” when referring to the downfall of the United States of America.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Twenty something years from now, the people left will be telling ancient stories around a campfire.

[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

So... impeachment? What are you waiting for.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

Impeachment has never done anything.

[-] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago

They don't have the numbers for it to work

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

In another day or two Elon and his minions will likely be able to halt all money going yo USAID, including salaries to workers. So that will effectively abolish it.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Ok, they won’t shut down USAID, but all US employees are fired and computers removed and buildings condemned. It’s still operating.

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