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I'm not sure what kind of admission that is other than they aren't on top anymore.
Do you think deepseek is "on top"?
The Open "model" seem to have knocked them down. Whether deepseek, llama, mistral, or others
Lol, lmao even
He doesn’t admit shit . No one should print this
Fuck that guy.
Sigh... If I need to. unzips pants
There's a strong chance he'd enjoy it; so maybe it's best not to just to spite him. Lol
In other news, shit spewing liar spews more shit and lies to get more of your money.
He thinks they're on the wrong side of history my ass. He doesn't care. He never cared. He will never care. The open source you and I know is completely different than the "open source" this chucklefuck is probably selling you on. "We need to figure out a different open source strategy" should be the biggest indicator here. Take everything he and his circlejerk says with the biggest fucking mountain of salt you can dream of and double it.
Yeah totally agree. He has proven to be one of the slimiest people on the scene. I mean, he is pretty much throwing his colleagues under the bus in this statement too lol
Unless they open source their models, they should be forced to rename to ClosedAI. It's literally false advertising otherwise.
OpenVMS: 'I'm in trouble'
OpenVMS, now there's a name I've not heard in a long time, a long time...
I think my uncle knew it. He said it was dead.
It grinds my gears that someone who can't be fucked with capitalization has that much money and power. I get that using the shift key occasionally is an inconvenience but we do it to help the readers. A conversation is give and take.
Like all techbros it is an affectation to cultivate a certain sort of appearance. A type of mad faux intellectualism.
You literally have to be a tryhard to do all lowecase on a phone, for example.
i've disabled auto caps on my phone :o
i generally type in all lower case because it appears more casual, at least to me. it's not exactly a rule i follow, so it's never consistent, and i don't mind capitalizing abbreviations and names and such anyways.
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i disabled auto-capitalisation a decade ago on my phone and that change has persisted ever since, but yeah guess i'm a tryhard. yeesh, being a grammar "nazi" was uncool even back then on reddit, imagine still being hard up about it in 2025.
i am on a phone. i did not press any extra keys to make my phone not do caps - this is because i have changed my phone to this, because when you write about technical things, capitalisation is important - lower case everything is lower case everything. i’m not about to start hitting an extra key at random times when this is perfectly fine. i’ve never had an issue reading all lower case
it’s not try-hard; it’s practical for people who work with tech
Don't you find capitalisation help to define sentences? It's much easier to read, particularly at speed.
personally, no i don’t. perhaps it’s because i skim a lot of code and im just used to it? i’m not sure, but honest truth i find capitals mostly redundant. perhaps useful to add context (names, acronyms, etc)… i add them for uncommon acronyms, but common things that people know i tend to skip too
you can say it’s lazy, and i’ll absolutely take that: it’s totally lazy… but there’s no weird effort or external image decision involved in it?
It's just an extra convention to help communication. But I don't buy your lazy argument because:-
- it is often performed automatically
and
- you take the time and effort to enhance your communications with punctuation and paragraphs.
Both of the reasons you’ve provided are nonsensical:
- It isn’t performed automatically if you disable it, and they did (and explained why)
- They said they don’t believe capitalization aids with clarity. They didn’t express the same opinion about punctuation and paragraph breaks.
It is irrelevant that they don’t believe capitalization aids with clarity.
Communication is about what other people prefer, not what you personally like. And they obviously do want to communicate well
If a communication norm is just about other people’s preferences, why should they change? Who’s to say that other people’s preferences are more important than their own, particularly given that this particular preference is shared by millions of other people.
If inconsistent use of capitalization actually hinders understanding for some subset of their audience, then that’s a different story. My experience is that people are more likely to be annoyed than to actually have issues understanding all lowercase text. All caps text, on the other hand, is a different matter - and plenty of government and corporate entities are fine putting important text in all caps. But all caps text is a known accessibility issue. When I search for “all lowercase accessibility,” though, all I get is a bunch of results saying to not use all caps text for accessibility reasons.
If you have sources showing that all lowercase text is an accessibility concern, then you should share them. Heck, you should have led with that. But as it is, your argument ultimately boils down to “someone else should change what they do, that works for them, because it annoys me.”
Who’s to say that other people’s preferences are more important than their own,
Because communication is about getting your ideas and opinions into other people's minds. I may prefer to write in swahili, but my audience prefers English.
particularly given that this particular preference is shared by millions of other people.
Over particular mediums for particular topics, yes the all lowercase preference may dominate. ALL CAPS FOR SHOUTING and miXeD CaPs FoR cRAzY provide excellent emphasis. But history shows that capitalization is an advantage. It was invented during the printing press and stayed as convention.
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Man... I initially read that as
can't be fucked with capitalism
and I was thoroughly confused.
This is the Reason why Germans are angry all the Time.
It is okay we are good. Already more than ~~3500~~ 9900 have forked DeepSeek.
Wild that it almost tripled in the 48 hours since I last checked.
Lol. They didn't even publish weights since GPT2. And weights are not enough for open source.
Can someone ELI5? He's admitting it was never truly open? Or they were wrong for thinking open was good at all?
OpenAI was started to be as open as possible, and to prevent the kinds of capitalism-driven Closed-AI development that they have now themselves become.
My personal opinion is that closed AI systems are only good if the owners are trustworthy. And in the long-run, no single owner can be trusted. There are risks with letting everyone copy and customize AI, however the worse danger is that the power gets too centralized with one single company.
OpenAI was started to be as open as possible, and to prevent the kinds of capitalism-driven Closed-AI development that they have now themselves become.
No, that was what OpenAI said its goals originally were. They were lying. They always intended for it to become a capitalist venture. Anyone who listens to Tech Won’t Save Us or This Machine Kills or Team Human have known all along. Or anyone like me who’s been in the industry for thirty years.
I too have been in the industry for many a decade and I heartily concur. I do have many colleagues though that also have been in for many years, and those are still dedicated believers. Maybe their critical thinking has been eaten away by all the lead in soldering tin?
That reminds me, I was temporarily blinded once from breathing in too much soldering fume.
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Ah interesting - cheers for sharing!
It's really disappointing as a huge fan of sci-fi myself. I know we won't get flying cars and stuff anytime soon, but technology in general is super cool. Humans are really ingenious.
And these corporate troglodytes had to go and ruin a good thing. I hope their balls explode.
He's saying they're wrong for not currently being open.
No, he said they "need to figure out a different open source strategy". That is completely different.
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We have plenty of alternatives like Mistral, Gemini, qwen, deepseek...
But none of them is fully open source that you know data they've been trained with, right? Maybe only K2 ?
Sorry for confusion guys - here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1ieonxv/comment/maa0dcx/
Well, if openai open sources all their models, what value is there left that is unique to openai? Training data? But that is only valuable if they invent a better way to make it into an "AI".
Most companies that have open source products make their money in providing support for it to other companies, so theoretically OpenAI could do that (in fact top level AI developers are pretty rare so they could charge way more than other companies do for consulting) but that wouldn't be a hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars business plan because it's much too sensible.
Hosting a model of that size requires ~800GB of VRAM. Even if they release their models, it wouldn't make them obsolete since most people and many companies couldn't host it either way.
Anyone can now provide that service. Why pay OpenAI when you can pay a different service who is cheaper or provides a service more aligned with your needs or ethics or legal requirements?
Anyone that has 300.000$ per instance, the know-how to set it up, the means to support it and can outbid OpenAI, yes.
I don't see that happening on a large scale, just like I don't see tons of DeepSeek instances being hosted cheaper than the original any time soon.
If they really are afraid of that they can always license it in a way that forbids reselling.
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