Democrats would rather lose than let Progressives lead the way.
They would rather gather the money needed to be able to effectively campaign than pursue policies designed to reign in campaigns costing so much. Wouldn't it be nice if we legally defined our election season to the formerly traditional end of February to November of the year of your offices' election?
In a last-minute move, they shut the event off from the public and even deliberately shared the wrong address for where grassroots supporters are allowed to gather."
Lol, we're fucked
Holy shit...
Has anyone tried turning the party off and then on again?
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Democrats aren't left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Ok so just for a moment let's pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being "too radical", Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted "No!" (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people's pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don't think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
Yes let me just write an entire election manifesto whilst I'm taking my morning dump.
These are just examples of policies that actually do something for the majority of Americans, and that seem to be popular across the board.
That's not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question "how will you rebuild the party" is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we're going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We're going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They'll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they'll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or "the economy" at first, but they'll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don't want to take the time to understand
And we'll just keep hitting it. They say "Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country". We don't bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes "is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%"
See now this is a much better answer. I think if you ran on those stances you would be a pretty popular candidate.
The more money we can pull out of the 1%s coffers and move into the hands of the working class the better.
I think we should also prevent corporations from buying homes like Black Rock and others are doing.
No more government baleouts for companies that fuck everything up. IF we have to baleout a company like GM they don't deserve to keep operating. Government takes over control and slowly sells off assets. Yes people will lose their jobs in the short term, but someone will need to fill the void of the missing production so in theory other car companies would expand to fill the space left behind and they would need to hire employees. Probably the employees that lost their jobs because the GM executives were greedy and/or stupid.
The working class is what keeps this country functioning. Not the top 1%. Put money in their pockets again and the economy will be stronger than ever before.
See, but you're making it complicated again. You want to stop black rock, but how? If I rent out a couple houses, are you going to come after me? What if this crashes my home prices?
You need to be able to turn around and say "people are homeless. If you have a an empty house, rent it or sell it, otherwise get fucked"
You can't get into commodificstion of housing or go after investment companies, that muddies the waters. People believe all these myths about how markets work, if you leave an opening they're going to start getting people worried about themselves losing something, or they're going to see it as an empty promise
But you keep it simple - empty houses = get fucked
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn't matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren't cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary's superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It's handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don't need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
Yes, they've been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
The game has changed. The world has changed. Their strategy hasn't...
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
Right, well that "winning strategy" of the democrats has lost more than half the time against Trump, so clearly it's not fucking working anymore.
Well, they at least need to be left of nazis. Can we agree on that? We just want the democrats to work on that for now. You know, baby steps.
Yes... I think we should strive to be left of the Nazis lol.
If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
And by don't criticize them before the election, he means the 2077 election. Give them time to figure things out, guys.
there has to be a real fear of losing something, otherwise there's no pressure to change. they will never change voluntarily. and after they win/lose an election there is zero pressure to do anything
the best time to criticize is in the immediate lead up to an election
You can't help but feel the new Chair is going to either make or break the party for the foreseeable future.
They need to pull a long shot, honestly, given that Bernie Sanders has said he isn't going to seek re-election, I'd say nominate him. Even if he declines it sets the right tone. People need someone who can walk the walk, and spit that talk like hot fire. You have an easy and galvanizing message to get out. America works for all Americans, because we all pay out fair share... Except for when a small group of billionaires think they have the right to buy and sell our country and our rights. This class of ultra wealthy is like a cancer that has been allowed to survive and fester for too long. It is now growing at a faster rate than healthy society can maintain and it threatens to destroy it. All Trump appointed and nominated officials will be retired from their positions for security reasons, including judges. Citizens United will be reversed. Tax rates on the top 1% will be a minimum of 50%, regardless of the type of income. Universal healthcare coverage, and creating a socioeconomic state that supports workers to the point where the educated and skilled should be able to retire comfortably at 50. This will allow for new opportunities for younger workers of all types, and keep the American dream alive.
That would be week 1
Several hundred people will see change in the spreadsheet that
Are they really failing to realize their losing strategy at this point? I think they just don't care. They got theirs and fuck everyone else.
DNC sucks. They only care about lining their pockets. They need to go down. They will go down.
If you support an establishment democrat you are part of the problem
True, but the way I see it elections are largely a game of name recognition.
Love or hate Trump, people know his name.
Harris only had 3 months to campaign and still almost beat Trump.
Sure, major cities can handle a quick turnaround, but the rest of the country needs a full year of campaigning to accept a candidate.
Trump's win isn't the mandate he thinks it is and Harris' loss isn't as damning as people make it out to be either.
So that means the progressives will break off and form a real leftist party right?
Right?
And then we'll be called splitting the vote and needing to vote for a 2016 Republican running as a Democrat in 2028. Vote blue no matter who! Vote blue, turn off your brain even if they openly hate your kind!
I am absolutely shocked to hear this.
ITT people who have no idea how the Democratic party is structured, nor how the DNC chair is elected, nor been involved in party politics, complaining about the DNC anyway.
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