Democrats would rather lose than let Progressives lead the way.
They would rather gather the money needed to be able to effectively campaign than pursue policies designed to reign in campaigns costing so much. Wouldn't it be nice if we legally defined our election season to the formerly traditional end of February to November of the year of your offices' election?
In a last-minute move, they shut the event off from the public and even deliberately shared the wrong address for where grassroots supporters are allowed to gather."
Lol, we're fucked
Holy shit...
Has anyone tried turning the party off and then on again?
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don't need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
Yes, they've been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
The game has changed. The world has changed. Their strategy hasn't...
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
Well, they at least need to be left of nazis. Can we agree on that? We just want the democrats to work on that for now. You know, baby steps.
Yes... I think we should strive to be left of the Nazis lol.
If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
And by don't criticize them before the election, he means the 2077 election. Give them time to figure things out, guys.
there has to be a real fear of losing something, otherwise there's no pressure to change. they will never change voluntarily. and after they win/lose an election there is zero pressure to do anything
the best time to criticize is in the immediate lead up to an election
You think if we criticize democrats for 3.5 years straight it wont affect the outcome of an election as long as we stop for a few months?
Acknowledge mistakes and learning from them is the biggest advantage when running against the Republicans who think Trump can never make mistakes
No it just sows apathy and reduces voter turnout. But that seems to be the goal.
It only sows apathy because they keep shutting down progressive voices for... *checks notes... a 74 year old with cancer.
Maybe just maybe if AOC had been given a committee seat instead of being muscled out by Pelosi such criticisms wouldn't "sow apathy."
That's just one of many examples. What you're saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don't change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
We're literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like "critiquing them only makes it worse!" Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it's hard for that not to create apathy.
Like I said, if they actually learned something and centered progressive voices, maybe critiquing them wouldn't create apathy but would create excitement?
But noooooo, we just need to shut up about it I guess.
What you're saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don't change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
Nope, I’m saying Trump won this election because enough voters were apathetic and stayed home and the constant criticism from the left contributed to that.
The constant ‘not good enough’ criticisms are the reason we are worse off now with Trump.
We're literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like "critiquing them only makes it worse!" Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it's hard for that not to create apathy.
We are in a thread about an opinion piece. Sorry to interrupt your echo chamber but I need to remind you that the critiquing is coming from progressives: a group that consistently loses elections even after winning primaries.
If progressives would actually learn something they would show up to vote in their own best interests instead of falling for the “Genocide Joe”, “DNC isn’t good enough so we get Trump”.
The fact of the matter is not enough voters are progressive and progressives aren’t willing to work with any other ideologies so they consistently lose elections.
My original comment said 3 months before an election is not the time to criticize - so I agree with you on that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
I'm actually not really certain that it makes any difference whether we criticize them or not, with or without a break.
They just keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes.
You can't help but feel the new Chair is going to either make or break the party for the foreseeable future.
They need to pull a long shot, honestly, given that Bernie Sanders has said he isn't going to seek re-election, I'd say nominate him. Even if he declines it sets the right tone. People need someone who can walk the walk, and spit that talk like hot fire. You have an easy and galvanizing message to get out. America works for all Americans, because we all pay out fair share... Except for when a small group of billionaires think they have the right to buy and sell our country and our rights. This class of ultra wealthy is like a cancer that has been allowed to survive and fester for too long. It is now growing at a faster rate than healthy society can maintain and it threatens to destroy it. All Trump appointed and nominated officials will be retired from their positions for security reasons, including judges. Citizens United will be reversed. Tax rates on the top 1% will be a minimum of 50%, regardless of the type of income. Universal healthcare coverage, and creating a socioeconomic state that supports workers to the point where the educated and skilled should be able to retire comfortably at 50. This will allow for new opportunities for younger workers of all types, and keep the American dream alive.
That would be week 1
Several hundred people will see change in the spreadsheet that
Are they really failing to realize their losing strategy at this point? I think they just don't care. They got theirs and fuck everyone else.
DNC sucks. They only care about lining their pockets. They need to go down. They will go down.
If you support an establishment democrat you are part of the problem
True, but the way I see it elections are largely a game of name recognition.
Love or hate Trump, people know his name.
Harris only had 3 months to campaign and still almost beat Trump.
Sure, major cities can handle a quick turnaround, but the rest of the country needs a full year of campaigning to accept a candidate.
Trump's win isn't the mandate he thinks it is and Harris' loss isn't as damning as people make it out to be either.
So that means the progressives will break off and form a real leftist party right?
Right?
And then we'll be called splitting the vote and needing to vote for a 2016 Republican running as a Democrat in 2028. Vote blue no matter who! Vote blue, turn off your brain even if they openly hate your kind!
Yes they will be moving to the right. Wait. Nooooo
I am absolutely shocked to hear this.
ITT people who have no idea how the Democratic party is structured, nor how the DNC chair is elected, nor been involved in party politics, complaining about the DNC anyway.
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