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The launch of Chinese AI application DeepSeek in the U.S. has raised national security concerns among officials, lawmakers, and cybersecurity experts. The app quickly became the most downloaded on Apple's store, disrupting Wall Street and causing a record 17% drop in Nvidia's stock. The White House announced an investigation into the potential risks, with some lawmakers calling for stricter export controls to prevent China from leveraging U.S. technology.

Beyond economic impact, experts warn DeepSeek may pose significant data security risks, as Chinese law allows government access to company-held data. Unlike TikTok, which stores U.S. data on Oracle servers, DeepSeek operates directly from China, collecting personal user information. The app also exhibits censorship, blocking content on politically sensitive topics like Tiananmen Square. Some analysts argue that, as an open-source model, DeepSeek may not be as concerning as TikTok, but critics worry its widespread adoption could advance China’s influence through curated information control.

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[-] 0liviuhhhhh 134 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Of course it's a national security threat, it's just more proof that the US economy is just a giant ponzi scheme.

If China can do it better on a budget of $6m in 18 months with low end equipment, then why does it take an American company 10 years, half a trillion dollars, and the entire nation's supply of high-end graphics cards?

[-] credo@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The model isn’t afaik. I.e., if you download one of the models and run it locally. It’s the app with folks pasting proprietary, company secret, etc data into it.

Really, it’s the same problem as with ChatGPT, but now an organization in another country has your data. I guess we’ll see if our new techno bro overlords try to use this to their advantage across the board to limit competition, even from local processing.

Taking bets.

[-] 0liviuhhhhh 37 points 1 week ago

I just find it amusing how when proprietary data/company secrets/whatever are being sent to openAI it's a matter of "that was irresponsible don't let it happen again" but some guy in Kentucky isn't able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective without a little effort and it's the end of national security as we know it.

Same with the tiktok ban. How many classified military secrets do we think some regular dude in a trailer in Alabama really has on his phone?

"National Security" in the US is literally just code for rich people's bank accounts at this point.

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The War Thunder forum is a greater threat to "national security" than any of this AI whohash. Something, something, nickle...

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

but some guy in Kentucky isn't able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective

How about from the perspective of the pro-democracy protestors who were there? Don't turn a brutal crackdown on people trying to gain some control of their lives and their country as an East vs. West problem.

[-] 0liviuhhhhh 9 points 1 week ago

I'm not here to discuss the validity of Tiananmen Square, that was just the example I keep seeing used.

Why does it matter if one source doesn't provide the official CIA story? You can look up how America views that event anywhere.

How is that censorship any worse than US tech companies blocking you from being able to say the word "Republican" in a negative context?

Also, you left out the most important part "without a little effort." Deepseek will happily tell you anything you want about Tiananmen Square from any perspective you ask it with a little creative prompting.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

I only commented because you said something stupid about Tiananmen Square that chapped my hide. The rest of it is fine. I'm only responding again because you doubled-down. The CIA version? I was alive at the time and followed the news, including live TV reporting, for days.

Say what you want about the politics of US News channels at that time, they weren't all in lock step with the CIA. I watched as Zhao Ziyang visited with the hunger-striking students, and I watched as the tanks rolled in. Don't try to revise history because you need the US to be the #1 bad guy. China had a chance to reform, and they cracked down instead.

[-] 0liviuhhhhh 4 points 1 week ago
[-] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Don’t try to revise history

You read wrong.

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Well yeah, it’s obviously more of a risk to send directly to your rival than internally. Both are risky but one is much, much worse.

[-] 0liviuhhhhh 13 points 1 week ago

And what exactly is the average person sending to China that's such a threat to US global Imperialism?

Sure, ban it on government devices or whatever you want to do, but why should civilians be punished because the government can't embezzle as efficiently?

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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 week ago

No data is sent to servers if you run it locally.

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[-] tburkhol@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

First time you do something is always harder. OpenAI just didn't think it was 1000x harder and thought they'd have more time to cash in.

Myself, I think that being able to throw billions of dollars at hardware, and their focus on next-quarter results discouraged them from putting in the human effort to analyze and optimize their process. It turns out there were some fantastic optimizations to do.

[-] 0liviuhhhhh 7 points 1 week ago

oh yeah, not denying that the prototype will be more expensive and resource intensive than following versions, but the whole "US overspends on novel technology, China blows that technology out of the water and shows this tech is both accessible and affordable, US bans Chinese product because American companies don't want to compete" shtick is just getting old

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 week ago

Hmm, what are the previous examples?

[-] 0liviuhhhhh 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Electric cars and Huawei are two recent examples off the top of my head

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[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

MVP in Technology. OpenAI just sat around throwing salt to the wind piling up "value" until they can convince people it is worth some obscene amount of money to sell out. Once you give someone a literal milestone and show them the path, boom.

This really really feels like a real life Tortoise and the Hare story. Like real hard, and I don't feel the least bit bad for the hare.

[-] Srh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

China built it in cave, with a box of scraps!

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[-] Fake4000@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago

If it's open source and can be hosted locally, I don't think there are issues with national security in this case.

There is money to be lost though. Always follow the money.

[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Like TikTok. The national security threat is actually just fear of profit loss.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

it's not fully open source. it comes with binary blobs you can't build from source.

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[-] MrNesser@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

You did something cheaper quicker and it's more efficient it must be bad the US

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Just like EV's and battery technology. Up to 40% tarrif on some brands.

They are cheaper with more range. The range is literally only achievable through better technology and hardware.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

National security, anti-terrorism, protecting children.

The trifecta of reasons given for abolishing freedoms

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

And the first two reasons are not even legitimate in theory. Nationalism is a plague destroying the planet. "Terrorism" is a fake word reserved for enemies of the state.

[-] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago

This is just so fun to watch.

America: "Executive order now! No US person is allowed to help the Chinese develop these technologies! We will imprison you traitor!"

China: "OK. We'll just develop it ourselves." DeepSeek enters the chat

America: "Fuck! National security emergency!"

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

NOOOOOOOOO

MYY YACHT MONEYYYYYYYY

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

as Chinese law allows government access to company-held data.

... Kind of exactly like how US law allows government access to company-held data?

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 week ago

With a warrant. Main difference is the Chinese govt has no such roadblocks.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Most corporations will hand over the data without question whenever the government asks without a warrant.

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Oh please. Warrants are rubber stamped, it's as simple as clicking a button. And do you really think entities like the NSA bother with formalities like warrants?

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 1 week ago

Id rather have at least something to throw into the gears of the system than nothing at all.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Snowden is in exile because he proved that this is not the case. My understanding is they are not supposed to do that with domestic, but data don’t care about that and agencies spying on citizens knew that, and snatched it all up once they left us soils, up in the air, bounced overseas, all justification to spy without a warrant. Nothing has changed

[-] magnus919@lemmy.brandyapple.com 26 points 1 week ago

Let's also remember that "U.S. officials" now describes MAGA flunkies that replaced actually qualified professionals.

[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

It's open source. Trying to block it is futile now lmao

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[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

As we just lost any sort of moral high ground, ok. 2 years ago maybe I'd be worried. 9 years ago I'd definitely have been worried. Today, the enemy of my enemy is my ally.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

If they're limiting focus to the Chinese app then they're noir wrong. If they mean the whole model then they're full of crap.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

When you're living in the imperial core violently genociding the planet to make a quick buck, of course everything is a security concern and opportunity for the MIC to profit.

[-] Viri4thus@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago

Hahahahahahahaha, manufactured consent in full throttle here. Hahahahahaha

*plays the world's smallest violin

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

US needs to be a lot more transparent about all these concerns. It's starting to feel like shouting wolf.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

Weaselly little liars.

Deepseek released the model and showed how they made it. You can run it locally. It doesn't connect to the internet.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago
[-] romanomenon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Oh no! Anyway….

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

Good. Perhaps while all the idiots are busy devising a "plan" to address this, those evil brain leave everyone else alone.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 1 week ago

While the calls from Moolenaar could be the first inkling of a possible congressional crackdown, Ross Burley — a co-founder of the nonprofit Centre for Information Resilience — warned that DeepSeek's emergence in the U.S. raises data security and privacy issues for users.

Yeah, because it's just soooo much better to have American plutocrats slurping up our data without consent and getting to do whatever they want with impunity. /s

"What they'll use it for is behavior change campaigns, disinformation campaigns, for really targeted messaging as to what Western audiences like, what they do," he added.

Yeah, because it's just soooo much better to have American plutocrats doing every single one of those things and more in the name of Profit. /s

Our leaders are hilariously tone-deaf.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

I do wonder why do they bother with pretences like this. Would Americans not buy „hey, we’re going to do to Chinese companies what they have been doing to ours for years now”?

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[-] stardust@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

It's open source so why not just take the best parts of it and run it themselves if it is such a worry instead of relying on their app and website.

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[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it's not fully open souce tho.

it comes with binary blobs you can't build from the source.

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