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[-] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 144 points 1 week ago

Bringing an army of ghosts to a necromancer's gate might not be the smart move you think it is...

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Plus, they were following him very begrudgingly since he was the only one who could lift the curse.

And he also didn’t know that he would march to the Black Gate next.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 80 points 1 week ago

At least in the movie they quite literally fought for Gondor. In the books, they just kill some corsairs far away from Minas Tirth.

[-] i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

They don't even kill them, they just scare them off their boats using 'fear as a weapon'.

[-] UrukGuy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

This

The corsairs of umbar flee the boats, the party & rangers take the ships. The whole point of the fleet was to cut off the Dol Amroth reinforcements, which can then join the battle

At Pellenor, they just scare the enemy forces. Once they've fulfilled their oath, they are free.

[-] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Idle thought, not fully staffed: kinda turns the whole "you cannot use the tools of the Enemy, as they are evil in and of themselves and will bring even the most noble low" vibe of the books on its head.

Or, at least, I seem to recall passages to the effect of fear being one of Sauron's chief weapons. Could probably find a lit crit essay on this subject if I went digging.

[-] ochi_chernye@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago

His chief weapon was surprise, iirc. That's all, just surprise.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago

And their fanatical devotion to the Pope.

[-] K4mpfie@feddit.org 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well if I remember correctly these corsairs were attacking the strategically important harbour that also housed all non combatants from Minas Tirth. The Harbour had a low garrison because they went to support Minas Tirith, so by scaring them off Aragon got access to their ships and saved the rearguard. Both strategically important in the context of the war

edit: grammar and fatfingered

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah, the books handle the greater war much more, but that would make for some confusion cinematography. It made a lot of sense, but it's it's also much less... Well, cinematic

[-] K4mpfie@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah I can totally understand why Jackson simplified it

[-] palebluethought@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In the books, I don't believe they kill anyone - or can. They basically just scare off the corsairs so the rest of gondors army can join the main battle. So ops point is kinda moot

E: I guess it's a little ambiguous

Pale swords were drawn; but I know not whether their blades would still bite, for the Dead needed no longer any weapon but fear."

[-] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Go watch the extended edition?

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

In the extended edition, they do both (kind of, it's a pretty tiny fleet)

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

I mean, the least he could've aak. Those guys seemed to enjoy killing, so maybe they would've liked killing more orcs.

[-] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

They never specifically killed orks, that's movie stuff. They killed foreign corsairs near the river estuary and fulfilled their oath.

They scared them more than killed them even.

[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 4 points 1 week ago

They never existed, that's book stuff.

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