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TLDR if you don't wanna watch the whole thing: Benaminute (the Youtuber here) creates a fresh YouTube account and watches all recommended shorts without skipping. They repeat this 5 times, where they change their location to a random city in the US.

Below is the number of shorts after which alt-right content was recommended. Left wing/liberal content was never recommended first.

  1. Houston: 88 shorts
  2. Chicago: 98 shorts
  3. Atlanta: 109 shorts
  4. NYC: 247 shorts
  5. San Fransisco: never (Benaminute stopped after 250 shorts)

There however, was a certain pattern to this. First, non-political shorts were recommended. After that, AI Jesus shorts started to be recommended (with either AI Jesus talking to you, or an AI narrator narrating verses from the Bible). After this, non-political shorts by alt-right personalities (Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, etc.) started to be recommended. Finally, explicitly alt-right shorts started to be recommended.

What I personally found both disturbing and kinda hilarious was in the case of Chicago. The non-political content in the beginning was a lot of Gen Alpha brainrot. Benaminute said that this seemed to be the norm for Chicago, as they had observed this in another similar experiment (which dealt with long-form content instead of shorts). After some shorts, there came a short where AI Gru (the main character from Despicable Me) was telling you to vote for Trump. He was going on about how voting for "Kamilia" would lose you "10000 rizz", and how voting for Trump would get you "1 million rizz".

In the end, Benaminute along with Miniminuteman propose a hypothesis trying to explain this phenomenon. They propose that alt-right content might be inciting more emotion, thus ranking high up in the algorithm. They say the algorithm isn't necessarily left wing or right wing, but that alt-right wingers have understood the methodology of how to capture and grow their audience better.

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[-] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago

Just anecdotal but I only ever watch duck videos or funny animal videos with occasional other funnies or crazy science things, and that's still all I ever get. Other days I get plenty of cool music like tesla coils making music or other piano music.

Am I youtubing wrong?

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Nah good for you. Maybe it's because of your geographical location/you just being lucky? I have experienced what the video above says quite a lot though.

I'm not American, so I didn't exactly see a lot of Trump (although there was some amount of it). I largely saw a lot of Hindu nationalist content (cuz of my geographical location). The more I disliked the videos, the more they got recommended to me. It was absolutely pathetic.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago

So you're saying we need to start pumping out low quality left wing brainrot?

[-] eronth@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

Insanely, that seems to be the play. Not logic or reason, but brainrot and low blows. Which is a bit at odds with the actual desire.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It only must be extremely simplified and evoke emotional reactions. That's just basic propaganda rules. The brainrot quality of the content is a consequence of the sheer quantity of the content. You can't make that volume of content and without making fully automated ai slop.

What the experiment overlooks is that there are PR companies being paid to flood YouTube with rightwing content and are actively trying to game its algorithm. There simply isn't a left-wing with the capital to manufacture that much content. No soros-bucks for ai minions in keffiyehs talking about medicare.

[-] socialmedia@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I realized a while back that social media is trying to radicalize everyone and it might not even be entirely the oligarchs that control its fault.

The algorithm was written with one thing in mind: maximizing engagement time. The longer you stay on the page, the more ads you watch, the more money they make.

This is pervasive and even if educated adults tune it out, there is always children, who get Mr. Beast and thousands of others trying to trick them into like, subscribe and follow.

This is something governments should be looking at how to control. Propaganda created for the sole purpose of making money is still propaganda. I think at this point that sites feeding content that use an algorithm to personalize feeds for each user are all compromised.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago

The problem is education. It's a fools game to try and control human nature which is the commodification of all and you will always have commercials and propaganda

What is in our means is to strengthen education on how to think critically and understanding your environment. This is where we have failed and I'll argue there are people actively destroying this for their own gain.

Educated people are dangerous people.

It's not 1984. It's Brave New World. Aldous Huxley was right.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 6 days ago

I think we need to do better than just say "get an education."

There are educated people that still vote for Trump. Making it sound like liberalism is some result of going to college is part of why so many colleges are under attack.

From their perspective I get it, many of the Trump voters didn't go, they hear that and they just assume brainwashing.

We need to find a way to teach people to sort out information, to put their immediate emotions on pause and search for information, etc, not just the kind of "education" where you regurgitate talking points from teachers, the TV, or the radio as if they're matter of a fact ... and the whole education system is pretty tuned around regurgitation, even at the college level. A lot of the culture of exploration surrounding college (outside of the classroom) is likely more where the liberal view points come from and we'd be ill advised to assume the right can't destroy that.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

This discussion existed before computers. Before that it was TV and before that it was radio. The core problem is ads. They ruined the internet, TV, radio, the press. Probably stone tablets somehow. Fuck ads.

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[-] HoMaster@lemm.ee 40 points 6 days ago

Alt right videos are made to elicit outrage, hate, and shock which our lizard brains react to more due to potential danger than positive videos spreading unity and love. It’s all about getting as many eyeballs on the video to make money and thi is the way that’s most effective.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago

There's also an entire industry around mass producing this content and deliberately gaming the algorithm.

[-] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 30 points 6 days ago

I don't think it makes me feel better to know that our descent into fascism is because gru promised 1MM rizz for it

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 36 points 6 days ago

From my anecdotal experiences, it's "manly" videos that seem to lead directly to right wing nonsense.

Watch something about how a trebuchet is the superior siege machine, and the next video recommended is like "how DEI DESTROYED Dragon Age Veilguard!"

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Or "how to make ANY woman OBEY you!"

Check out a short about knife sharpening or just some cringe shit and you're all polluted.

[-] gimmelemmy@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Yeah it sure does. There is no way that garbage should be showing up for me, but yet...

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

There's a firefox extension to hide short and another to default to your subscription. Along with ublock, those are the only things that makes youtube usable.

[-] Ashelyn 2 points 5 days ago

That doesn't fix the out-of-the-box experience of the platform for millions, if not billions of people. Yes it's a good step to take individually, but insufficient to deal with the broader issue raised of latent alt-right propagandizing

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

I know but I don't own youtube lol.

[-] NudeNewt@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

That and a Revanced patched version of it - or better yet Piped.

[-] doortodeath@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

I don't know if anyone of you still looks at memes on 9gag, it once felt like a relatively neutral place but the site slowly pushed right wing content in the last years and is now infested with alt-right and even blatantly racist "memes" and comment-sections. Fels to me like astroturfing on the site to push viewers and posters in some political direction. As an example: in the span during US-election all of a sudden the war on palestine became a recurring theme depicting the Biden admin and jews as "bad actors" and calling for Trump; after election it became a flood of content about how muslims are bad people and we shouldn't intervene in palestine...

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[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Same happened to me (live in WA) but not only do I get pro-tyranny ads and Broprah (Rogan) shorts, I also get antivax propaganda.

I always use the “show less of this” option or outright remove it from my feed. Seems better now.

[-] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

While Optah has her own problems at least she never chummed with the fascists

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

True, but the comparison lies more in the fact that- according to her fanbase, she can seemingly do no wrong. They gobble up anything she says like a nest of hungry baby birds.

I see Rogan’s army of dudebros as being no different, only less intelligent.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

I bet thise right wing shorts are proposed and shoehorned in everywhere because someone pays for the visibility. Simple as that.

[-] Bonesy91@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Yup they have been showing up for me today. Fuck YouTube

[-] labbbb2@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I have encountered this too. Around 2 months ago I visited YouTube to watch some video, rejected all cookies and there were "woke" videos everywhere in recommendations. I used it without an account.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I've gotten more right wing video recommendations on YouTube, even though I have turned off my history. And even if I turned on my history, I typically watch left wing videos.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

The minute I sign out of my account YouTube tries to radicalize me.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I like Youtube (with adblocker) but shorts are pretty trashy. It's mostly shorts of women as naked as they can get on Youtube without breaking the rules who have purposefully given themselves super camel toes and set the thumbnail for the short to show their camel toe to get people's attention. And it's just a front to get you to their OnlyFans.

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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Instagram does the same thing with "dark jokes" and really weird ufo and conspiracy videos it really sucks

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[-] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Real talk: I've been using YouTube without an account and with some ad blocking stuff installed. Based on what I'm seeing, I'm pretty sure the algorithm's datapoint for me is "He was born with a penis and is ok with that."

When I lose my better judgement and start scrolling shorts like an idiot, It is fight videos (IRL, movie scenes, UFC and boxing), auditing, Charlie Kirk and right-wing influencers, and the occasional clip from Shoresy on the basis "He might be Canadian too, idk".

It is noticibly weird, and I have brought it up to my kid who uses an account, is not what Youtube believes me to be, and whose shorts feed is very different.

We do both get that guy who opens Pokemon cards with a catchy jingle, though.

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[-] DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago
[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

I've ditched their algorithm, but I'm not going back to a text only internet. It's so much more helpful to listen while I drive or follow along with someone's screen.

I'd like to see the creators get out of youtube and make more money but I can't say I like patreon much either.

Would be cool to tie fedeverse into non-profit monetization.

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