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Bad Influence. (lemmy.world)
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[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 133 points 6 months ago
[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Some really do think it is. And I feel sorry for them. My ex-wife's mother was one that put her in one of those teenage camps. Convinced they were what could help her by the church and her friends. But she's just not smart. Very gullible. I really don't think she would have had she known. The zeitgeist of the times were not as abundant as it is now.

[-] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 36 points 6 months ago

Just buy a tesla and a smartphone. Those are the spy machines described in the book. The difference is that the 1984 government had to hide that stuff in your house and now, people even pay for them.

[-] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 10 points 6 months ago

The 1984 government did not hide that stuff in your hozse. The telescreens are the centerpiece of any appartements. The difference is that in the book, everybody knows they are supervised and fear the supervisors, while today, nobody cares.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

everybody knows they are supervised and fear the supervisors

They regularly saw friends and neighbors persecuted by police. We don't really see that in the modern day. There's no cop who bangs on your door because you did a wrongthink online.

[-] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Honestly don't do anything you wouldn't want a fascism regime knowing about on any PC running Windows or MacOS or any smart phone.

On that note, what Linux distro are best for privacy?

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago

At this point, any of them.

Strictly speaking, fully loaded Kali Linux (or an equivalent build) so you can learn to do subversive things against adversarial networks.

But really, if you just want an operating system under your control, every version of Linux will do that for you.

But Hannah Montana Linux will do it for you with the most style.

[-] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Depends on your opsec scope and use case. It also depends on the software you are running ontop like your browser or other services that probably have even more data on you.

[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 31 points 6 months ago

Is 1984 banned? That was mandatory reading...

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

Yes, and I'm glad that it is.

record skip, everyone stares at HawlSera awkwardly, guns are cocked and pointed at her

Because when you tell a people that a piece of media is too evil and vile to ever be looked at, that only makes them wanna read it more. I guruan-fucking-tee more people have read 1984 now that they're not allowed to!

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Points for self awareness, and for Streisand effect.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

As others have told you, yes. And the worst part is the justification is usually because Winston and Julia have sex. And it's not titillating. Orwell was not exactly writing erotica.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

yes they are literally banned at most schools in my state. Along with books that have LGBT charicters in them

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 28 points 6 months ago

Literally 1984

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

Any librarian worth their salt would find a secret way to get that kid his book

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I watched the library in my high school downsized repeatedly during and after my time in school.

They went from half a dozen librarians to one. They purged their collections of microfilm and whittled away any research tools that weren't just on a computer. They stopped ordering new books for the most part by the time my sister graduated.

I believe they've since renovated the space to convert a big chunk of it into more classrooms.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago

This kinda hits different when you replace cats with cows.

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 22 points 6 months ago

If you're killing the cow in the same way the people in those videos kill cats, then it doesn't hit much different at all.

There's definitely a line here, but I suspect that we disagree on where that line is.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

If you think cows are killed in anything but abject horror, I'd recommend you at the very least watch Dominion, which was linked above.

I'm not trying to cause offence, but is there an ethical way to eat animals, or does it become unethical as soon as we have the means and ability to not do so?

It seams like for a lot of people, thier traditions and culture outweigh thier personal ethical benefits and thats the biggest problem that has to be overcome. Some places do not allow for growing sufficient and complete protein to feed the population, for example Egypt or Bangladesh. It seems that the cultures might be harder to overcome in these places.

I was thinking maybe insects as a protein source would be a positive step for these locations. But thats obviously hard to overcome culturally. What do vegans think of eating insects?

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Veganism seeks to exclude animal exploitation and cruelty as far as is possible and practicable.

For a Western audience, where one would have access to a well stocked supermarket, that would generally mean a complete boycott, but it does ultimately come down to the individual to decide what is and isn't practicable. If you have nessary medication that contains animal products, or is tested on animals, for example, I don't think you'd find anyone expecting you to give that up.

As for insects, they're within the kingdom of Animalia, so yes, veganism applies to them too. That said, you can't go through life without ever stepping on an ant, and I don't know anyone who'd place the exact same value on an fly and a cow. One has a vastly more sophisticated brain and nervous system. That said, I generally don't try to play "utilitarian calculus".

Ultimately it's a "do your best" situation.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

It's unlikely that insects (or any animals for that matter) are a better use of the land, because ultimately animals need to eat plants, too, and they use up a good chunk of the energy themselves.

Occasionally, you can grow grass where proper crops won't and animals can graze there, but to my knowledge, this isn't particularly relevant in practice, because farmers will typically feed more nutrious food to minimize the time until the animals can be slaughtered.

You talk about complete protein, by which I assume you mean the amino acid distribution, but I find it hard to believe that the inefficient land use of animals is offset by them converting some of the amino acids to be better suitable for us.
Because ultimately, if you manage to grow more lentils and whatnot, you can totally just eat more lentils to reach your 100% of each amino acid.
Wealthy cultures eat significantly more protein than is actually needed, for example.

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

at least the cat stretched its legs once or twice whereas the cows were stuck in torturous positions their entire miserable life, steeped in their own shit on the verge of suffocation due to crowding. its all fucked

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

Or replace cats with billionaires.

[-] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago
[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

This is literally what YouTube is like though. The less educational content is, the more likely they are to remove or age restrict it. NileGreen made a video about this recently, it's kinda long but you can watch it if this sounds interesting.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

1984 is more appropriate for adolescents than for kids under tweens. If anyone has read the ending, the imagery in Room 101 is pretty graphic. There are also sexually suggestive imagery in the middle of the book.

The best dystopian book for kids that warns of authoritarianism would be Fahrenheit 451 and Animal Farm imo. The latter was my introduction to George Orwell by my teacher just before I entered adolescence.

[-] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 8 points 6 months ago

Where is this book banned for children for being a bad influence?

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

Just look for red states/cities in the US. More than likely its been banned there.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 4 points 6 months ago

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I also didn't know this book was banned, and was going to ask something similar.

[-] guy@piefed.social 9 points 6 months ago

One would assume that Kurt Vonnegut would have some awareness about books

[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 4 points 6 months ago

I don't follow american book ban list. Is it actually ban?

[-] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't think it's currently on any ban lists in the US; if it is, it's just in a few odd corners. It has been on ban lists around the world in the past for various reasons.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

https://pen.org/report/beyond-the-shelves/

Disproportionate to publishing rates and like prior school years, books in this prominent subset overwhelmingly include books with people and characters of color (44%) and books with LGBTQ+ people and characters (39%).

Over half (57%) of the banned titles in this subset include sex-related themes or depictions, due to ramped up attacks on “sexual content.”

Nearly 60% of these banned titles are written for young adult audiences, and depict topics young people confront in the real world, including grief and death, experiences with substance abuse, suicide, depression and mental health concerns, and sexual violence.

If you pick around for schools with bans, you can occasionally find 1984 on the list. But that is primarily because of the extramarital sex scene between Wilson Smith (the protagonist) and his lover Julia.

[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 2 points 6 months ago

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago
[-] Scrappy@feddit.nl 15 points 6 months ago
[-] essteeyou@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Thanks for the warning. Not clicking that and ruining my day.

[-] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

He looks so sad about not getting the book lmao

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