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Tesla Gigafactory Berlin (lemmy.world)

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[-] Arigion@feddit.org 210 points 3 months ago

Geordi meme no: Tesla yes: Swasti-car

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 74 points 3 months ago

The Swasticar Wankpanzer is 100% something he would call the truck if his sycophant followers jokingly suggested it.

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[-] Dequei@sopuli.xyz 175 points 3 months ago

wtf, is that real?

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 334 points 3 months ago

It's being projected as part of a protest by https://bsky.app/profile/politicalbeauty.bsky.social and https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:37x2qvt3z5iwuyzusvnvlepi

[-] Dequei@sopuli.xyz 36 points 3 months ago

Thx

[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

as a protest??? it's probably going to have the exact opposite effect...

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 127 points 3 months ago

Why would this backfire? You think germans and their gigafactory subsidies are going to like the nazi salute so much it will increase his popularity?

[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do you think there are no Nazi sympathizers in Germany? Don't you see AfD on the rise there?

Most of the people seeing this isn't going to know the context (i.e. this is a protest). If you strip away the context, this is just a blatant public display of the fascist salute, which many there have wanted to do for so long but couldn't because they feared the consequences. This could very well embolden them.

Like, if you just look at the photo, it even straight out says "heil Tesla", for crying out loud. If this is a protest, they did a piss poor job of it. At least put a clown makeup on Elon's face, what are they even doing.

Edit: some people can't even read it seems.

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Most of the people seeing this isn't going to know the context

Ok there, sources needed. It almost sounds like youre shilling for them. Next youre going to tell me he was just waving!

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago

Let him be, he thinks Germans are as uneducated as Americans

[-] x1gma@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Don't you see AfD on the rise there? The AfD is not only rising because of Nazi sympathy, but also because of protest voters, a literal fuckton of drama around pretty much every other significant party, too many deaths being instrumentalized, and a disfunctional current government. Latest opinion poll: https://dawum.de/Bundestag/ - so "only" 20% support them.

Most of the people seeing this isn't going to know the context (i.e. this is a protest). If you strip away the context, this is just a blatant public display of the fascist salute, which many there have wanted to do for so long but couldn't because they feared the consequences. This could very well embolden them.

Even german news are full of the orange idiot and his millionaire friends doing their escapades, and you seem to imagine most of the german population sitting there applauding him? "Blatant displays of the fascist salute" are NOT what many here want to do, but what most would like to do without consequences is punching a Nazi straight to their face.

If you haven't realized, many european governments shifted right because the populism of those parties exploited and used the political tensions and the accumulated anger for the past failures of many left and green hardliners very well.

Germans are not more right or have more Nazis than many other European states, and given the hereditary guilt, less than many.

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[-] spooky2092 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, the average German won't have heard about Nazi space karen throwing the heil. Especially after he was just there defending Nazis. Who would even know about that, just because it's world wide news and involves something very poignant to the German people?

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[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Have a lot of meetings with Germans. The morning after the inauguration, every one of them asked what the hell was wrong with us that we had a Nazi salute in our inauguration. The context is very very well known over there

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Most of the people seeing this isn’t going to know the context

You underestimate how much American news dominates the world news. Greetings from Mexico.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago

People can read. This is just one of the most moronic takes they've ever seen.

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm concerned you don't know what a protest is. Or possibly think modem Germans like the Nazi salute!? I don't know...

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[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Unlike america, europe is really not a fan of nazis. So this is a protest.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

What, he’s going to be even more of a Nazi?

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

The photo of Ellen and the “HEIL” appear to be projected onto the wall of the factory

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 166 points 3 months ago

That is an out-fucking-standing protest projection.

[+] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 149 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 426 points 3 months ago

Making the German state officially state that this is Nazi imagery would be a worthwhile win lol.

[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

I'm pretty sure they have explicitly come out and said that the gesture was what we all know it to be. I'm sure the Internet can verify it for you though

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[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

Holy shit nice

[-] Lupus@feddit.org 71 points 3 months ago

There's plenty of "fair use" cases which would allow it.

§86a STGB allows for the use of "symbols of anti-constitutional organizations" in cases of:

art (e.g. the movie "Downfall")
scientific research
education
news or other broadcast (covering Nazi Protests in the US for example, German news station don't have to censor the Swastika flags or the like)

And probably applying in this case - in protesting said anti-constitutional organizations, for example a crossed out Swastika as a form of protest against Nazis is still very much legal.

Most important is the intent. If you plan to use those symbols with the intent of furthering the ideology of anti-constitutional organizations, it is probably forbidden. The intention has to be clearly against those organizations, otherwise it might be actionable.

Btw the communist party of Germany, the KPD is also considered an anti-constitutional organization and therefore it's symbols are forbidden in the same way.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

§86a STGB allows for the use of "symbols of anti-constitutional organizations" in cases of:

art (e.g. the movie "Downfall")

scientific research

education

news or other broadcast (covering Nazi Protests in the US for example, German news station don't have to censor the Swastika flags or the like)

Which is funny because the video game series Wolfenstein famously had to change all of their in-game imagery. The series is about killing Nazis, but it was banned in Germany until the game devs removed all of the swastikas. Because apparently showing the swastika is banned, even when it’s used explicitly to say “these are the bad guys.”

[-] Lupus@feddit.org 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, there were some real conservative views on what counts as art or education and what does not that influenced that decision I figure.

It's silly regardless on both sides in my personal view. Like yeah it's a little silly to not allow it, since the law would easily have allowed for it but also - it's a Swastika, I'm fine in a video game without it, I'm not gonna die on that specific hill for sure.

[-] ppue@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

You wouldn't even have to die on that hill anymore because you can buy the uncensored wolfensteins in Germany today.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 13 points 3 months ago

Yes! Interestingly, this only is possible now because the rules changed in 2018: https://usk.de/usk-beruecksichtigt-bei-altersfreigabe-von-spielen-kuenftig-sozialadaequanz/

The German bureaucracy changed their stance from "Nazi shit should not be in games, period" to "it depends on social adequacy" which meant that games from then on where handled the same way as other forms of art.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Game publishers could've changed it way earlier but noone bothered to bring a case to court but opted to self-censor instead, thus the BPjM had to follow an age-old, singular, court ruling.

The game that prompted the change was this one, in particular Gauland's special move is a swastika. Someone, predictably, complained, and the case didn't even make it before court as the state attorney said "this is obviously completely legal political commentary".

To top it all off the game was published by public TV. Same people who made this sketch.

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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

"Are we the baddies?"

"I dunno, our gear looks okay now?"

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[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 53 points 3 months ago

It is with few exceptions. Given that it looks like the purpose is to call out a Nazi supporter I think they wouldn't get in trouble for that though.

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 months ago

It's not exactly uncommon for systems set up to oppose something to end up supporting them instead. See the ADL covering for Elon and condemning those opposed to genocide as antisemitic. In theory the ADL should be opposed to fascism, but because Israel has become fascist they found themselves on the same side as those who had been and would be their oppressors.

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[-] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Freedom of art in that regard. The only illegal thing might be to project something to the factory

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[-] SpiceyDejarik@lemm.ee 72 points 3 months ago

Saw a video about this on Mastodon. It looks like they projected a whole video presentation that outlines a bunch of the Nazi shit Musk has done, not just the image of his salute.

https://mastodon.online/@streetartutopia/113877354369169766

[-] caboose2006@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago

Yep. Musk is a racist anti-Semite. Not surprised he's so well practiced on the nazi salute

[-] mynamesnotrick@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

It sucks that this is where we are. America once the defeaters of Nazi's. Now appointing billionare Nazi's with influence to government positions. Fuck man.

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[-] itsathursday@lemmy.world 53 points 3 months ago

Man baby needs to be held accountable for his actions.

[-] thefatfrog@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is fake though. The letters don't match and there is no other pic on the Internet to prove, it happened. But the fact it seems real, speaks volumes :D

Edit: Turns out not fake. I was just skeptical at first.

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 60 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't think anybody is suggesting that Tesla had a sign that says "heil" in Tesla's font manufactured and installed on their factory next to their name. It's a projection by a protestor to draw attention to Musk's Nazism.