It was literally the nazis who got centrists to "water-down" the word nazi.
They’re still working on it.
He's just into war reenactment and also expressing that his heart went out to him (/s).
Normalizing fascism.
The sooner we accept we've reached that stage, the sooner we can do something about it.
I'm not holding my breath.
Start calling them Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, to start.
Honestly, the simple act of doing that has calmed a lot of the dissonance in my brain.
Intentional Stonetoss expression at the end?
I was thinking the same thing
I'm glad I'm not the only one! It's so good!
Right? The guy's nose disappears, it's gotta be intentional
This is every fucking conversation I have with my right leaning friends at this point.
Cut them off.
Please yes, isolate yourself for the cult
The cult of... Anti-nazis?
Genius.
No no no you don't understand. It's the cult of people who call anybody who does a weird salute or mildly dislikes Jewish people or brown people and wants to declassify women as people with rights as a Nazi. Don't you see it's both sides that are extremist. You're just giving in to left wing propaganda...
~the centrist point of view
I mean really they are all fascists so really it would be some kind of anti-fascist movement.
🤔
Good idea, but how do you then denazify them? There's way too many Nazis to just "cut them off", it'd be like living in a rural town without using a car.
There was no way we could tell he was a Nazi 😔
Who amongst us hasn't mistakenly made what looks like a Nazi salute, twice, in front of a crowd whilst doing a speech, been wrongfully interpreted as an AfD supporter after having said "I support the AfD" or made posts claiming that Jews do bad things which were unfairly seen as antisemitic?
It could happen to anybody!
/s
I’m a little worried about the distraction this is causing, distraction away from taking real action that can help. Like, felon and nazi are real and useful predictive attributes, but we kind of already knew some of that.
I feel like a better focus would be on taking action - donation, volunteerism, things your class valedictorian would do - to counter actual harmful or evil changes that are made in actual legislation. It sucks to have to prop up things that make America actually great ourselves because narrow minded politicians cut public funding. But to keep these things alive, we have to step up.
We already made our predictions known. Deep down we already know this isn’t convincing anybody new. The next step is taking action. Local non-profits want to hear from you. If it’s a cause that you think might be threatened, and you care about it, you might be able to help.
It's sad but he's not wrong. Nazi has been used on so many people I've lost count and people wonder why it has lost effect
Found the Nazi
Crying wolf....again.
Proof? Or is disagreement with you enough?
The image depicts a guy in a nazi unform, doing a nazi salute. It's a nazi.
I know, it's the response from red shirt. He doesn't listen to the guy calling out the nazi, explaining how it's probably just overexaggeration.
It's similar to the ending of the boy who cried wolf. It's not that most people like wolves, or side with wolves, or think wolves aren't a threat. It's the person that that yells wolf is ignored when the real deal comes around.
I don't like nazis. At all. But there is certainly an argument that the term had been used too loosely (I was just called one in this comment section ffs) and now people are making nazi salutes in DC and are being ignored.
This isn't a case of the boy crying wolf. You fucks have been warned and have ignored the warnings. Now here we are.
Jon Stewart called out the dilution of labels like racist etc in his closing speech of the 2010 Rally to Restore Sanity. It was a problem all the way back then.
By the time you started yelling about the real dangers, the boy who cried first had already came and went. The sheep were fine. The boy grew up, got a decent paying job amd moved out of the state. Another boy came by yelling the same thing. Still no wolves. Sheep still fine. Repeat more times than you can count.
It's not your fault, but it's stupid as hell to pretend that people didn't start taking those labels less seriously due to overuse.
No we all said watch the fuck out the nazis are buying up everything and even wrote a nazi playbook. The fuckin wolf was real all along. Fucking morons just decided to ignore. The boy lied in the story. He didn't lie here.
You personally? Sure. But there have been people online misusing the word (and similar things) for fucking ages, going back at least as far as 2010.
This goes back a lot farther than the last election campaign, farther back than Trump's first "reign", farther back than his first campaign even.
Background on Jon Stewart for those unaware of him
Jon Stewart has been out of the public eye for a long time, so I expect there's some people around unaware of his work. Did a comedy news show for years where he tore into the bullshit going on in the world, in the news, and in news orgs like Fox hiding behind a false "both sides" narrative back when they still cared enough to fake it. He got Crossfire cancelled when they were stupid enough to invite him on for an interview and were shocked that he wasn't willing to be a comedian on a show that claimed to be real news and he instead systematically and thoroughly called them out as the travesty they were.
Jon Fucking Stewart called out the dilution of labels through overuse in his closing speech at the Rally to Restore Sanity in 2010. The rally done as a reaction to the Tea Party rally in D.C.
That is to highlight that the "boy who cried wolf" shit was happening all the way back then and was already a big problem.
"If we amplify everything we hear nothing. There are terrorists and racists and Stalinists and theocrats but those are titles that must be earned. You must have the resume. Not being able to distinguish between real racists and Tea Partiers or real bigots and Juan Williams and Rick Sanchez is an insult, not only to those people but to the racists themselves who have put in the exhausting effort it takes to hate--just as the inability to distinguish terrorists from Muslims makes us less safe not more. The press is our immune system. If we overreact to everything we actually get sicker--and perhaps eczema."
People didn't get the fucking message, which gave cover for the real racists and nazis to slither around and significantly helped to get us where we are today.
Where an over rich manchild clearly on some sort of substances can give two half assed sieg heils, and then follow it up with the most half assed excuse during a fucking presidential inauguration and instead of being tackled by security and hauled the fuck off never to be seen again, people are sitting around giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Nazis, fascists, ect were a problem as early as 2010. All the people who are doing nazi shit now, i grew up with them, they were always like that
This people we said where moving towards nazism are now doing Nazi salutes.
Clearly it is our fault for being smart enough to see what was happening and sounding the alarm!
It's take a true smooth brain to always find the way to blame the intellectuals for their own abhorent behavior.
I'm guessing the next stage here is blaming us for why you and them became Nazi. We clearly gave you no other choice. You and them are the real victims here.
Bullshit. We've been calling so many people Nazis precisely because they actually turned out to be Nazis. Every single fucking one of them.
If you didn't see it, it's because you were deliberately turning a blind eye.
Do you think it plausible that actual white supremacist Neo Nazis might call other people Nazis, despite being fully aware that they are not, simply to further muddle the issue? A sort of, "I know you are, but what am I?" defense, that most of us master somewhere in early childhood?
Yeah I get that they would try to make noise to hide in. But I imagine that is not the majority of cases where someone is labeled as a nazi. Note this was from 2010, long before Trump entered politics.
And this isn't to say I like, support or side with them it's just people ignore the term after a while of hearing it everywhere for all kinds of things that don't fit
No, he's still wrong. Even if he has been conditioned to ignore the term because of overuse of the term, he's still wrong.
The people who ignored the boy the third time he cried wolf were wrong. The proof they were wrong is that they lost their sheep. The moral of the story isn't "don't listen when little boys cry wolf three times and the first two times turn out to be false." The moral is "don't cry wolf when there is no wolf or people will stop listening to you."
So you can argue that the people who conditioned red shirt not too look were wrong, i.e. "the boy who cried Nazi", but in this case red shirt is most definitely wrong.
That is exactly what I am trying to convey, thank you.
Red shirt is wrong for ignoring the pointing person. The person pointing out the nazi is right. I am trying to argue that the person pointing out the nazi and the people who conditioned red shirt to the point of ignoring a legitimate cry are not the same and ultimately did not help things.
It hasn't lost its effect. It never had an effect to begin with on the people that this cunt was sieg heiling because they are happy to downplay the very real and very obvious fascist elements of the American right. Saying the word Nazi has lost its effect makes this sound like the issue is one of semantics, as though if that word hadn't (wholly and justifiably) been used so much in recent decades that people would now wake up and go, 'Oh fuck, this guy is actually really bad'. But they wouldn't. Because fascists don't think other fascists are bad.
The joke is exactly that the "argument" you're using has been abused to such a point by American "centrists" and the even more far right types that per their definition the only possible way to be a Nazi is to have been a member of the National Socialist Party Of The German Worker during the period when it was committing the Holocaust.
You saw a lot of this shit from, for example, supporters of Zionism, and now you're seeing an even more ridiculous version of it from far-right muppets trying to excuse Elon's looks-like-Hitler's repeated salute as not Nazi.
Normal people who are not arguing in bad faith will have a definition for the threshold of when a person, party or nation's actions might be considered as Nazism which is far less restricted than "only those who were the murderers in the Holocaust qualify".
My Lemmy blocklist has literally tripled since yesterday lol.
Meanwhile bro on his way to a reenactment of The producers: Springtime for Hitler: The musical
Gentlemen gentlemen that's just a actor on his way to a show.
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