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[-] ReadyUser31@lemmy.world 189 points 2 years ago

Interestingly, these used to be called 'jokes' before memes existed.

[-] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 52 points 2 years ago

It's like calling every photo of you a fucking selfie. It's only a selfie if you did it yourself of yourself. The end.

And yeah, I'm with you. Now every funny picture is a meme. No, it's just a funny picture.

Now get off my lawn!

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

You got my meme response now you get my academic reply.

A meme is a remix of an existing idea/joke/image. Unless you are creating something new whole cloth it could be considered a meme. Even though the term hadn't been coined, what Mark was doing with 3/4 of those autographs was altering the context of the card image, thus he did create memes.

Now get off my lawn.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Actually the term was coined all the way back in the 70s, by Richard Dawkins in his book The Selfish Gene.

It means a cultural gene. It's a piece of culture that is so pervasive it can be said to be a part of the genetic code of the society. Examples are the smiley face, tic tac toe or other simple common games, that S thing we all drew as kids, etc.

Not all jokes are memes, and not all memes are jokes.

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[-] ReadyUser31@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This feels like a slippery slope towards defining motivation posters as the original memes. I don't like it.

[-] dezmd@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

My old manual Minolta SR-7 camera had a timer button for selfies. I was cool before it was cool to be cool.

Listen up boomer, if you didn't want people on your lawn, you shouldn't have moved into a NIMBY WASPspsps HOA neighborhood.

/issues fines for grass over 1.12 inches high

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[-] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

ok grandpa let's get you back inside

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I was going to ask what people mean when they say "meme" now, because they do not seem to be using the word the way that I use it.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

A meme is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures. In popular language, a meme may refer to an Internet meme, typically an image, that is remixed, copied, and circulated in a shared cultural experience online.

Per Wikipedia, emphasis on what I consider the relevant bits. What way do you use it?

[-] Kernal64@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

By your own highlighted parts, the cards in the OP are not memes. People don't alter pictures of those signed cards and they don't mutate. They don't change via selective pressures as we don't see new versions where people change the image or the text. Additionally, those pictures of the trading cards are not remixed. They're shared unaltered. The OP is missing key traits of being a meme. The OP is a picture of some funny jokes that Mark Hamil wrote on some trading cards he autographed. They're certainly entertaining, but they're not memes.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is it a meme now?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think you understand what the concept of mutation/remix is then. "A horrified Luke sees his family killed" and then writing over it something cheeky about newfound freedom vastly alters (mutates) how the image is interpreted. "Selectice Pressures" could be something like a topical joke based on current events, in this case it's the fact that he was signing cards at a convention, so the fan boy joke was informed by that situation.

A meme doesn't need a multitude of variations to be considered a meme, that's just going viral. It also doesn’t need to be a photoshopped image, changing the text is creation of a new meme, think advice animals. Simply changing how the image is received by a viewer is enough to be a meme, it's nothing more complicated than that.

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

So, just so I understand, you are using the word meme to mean images that are altered?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Is it a meme now?

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[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

The Selfish Gene was first published in 1976, a year before Star Wars.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 143 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My favourite joke of his is a very lowkey one: changing his twitter display name to Mar 🐫

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

That took me way to long to connect lol

[-] z500@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

I had to scroll back up to upvote it after it clicked

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[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 108 points 2 years ago

Mark Hamill showing how he's such a Joker.

[-] the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It was always in the cards.

[-] Khalic@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Don't beat that metaphor to death... there's Robin for that

[-] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Akin to a Trickster if you ask me.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago

MFW a post doesn't get enough upvotes.

[-] teft@startrek.website 25 points 2 years ago

You got 200 upvotes in under an hour. How many do you need King Xerxes?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

~~You~~ Mark Hamill got 200 upvotes in under an hour.

I'm just a dirty reposter in this scenario.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

The fuck is an upvote? This is Lemmy not reddit.

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Hover your mouse pointer over those numbers on the webpage (which was coded by the Lemmy devs) - It says things like "2 points • 4 Upvotes • 2 Downvotes"

Reddit didn't invent those terms.

[-] knyuqlr@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

What do you call them here?

[-] teft@startrek.website 14 points 2 years ago

Ascending Plebiscites.

[-] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

Means of production

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[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

Wew. Lots of Lucas and Disney fanbois it looks like based on the vitriol. I'm GenX. We lived through the "Gap of SW" where we made do with mid-good SW novels, toys, games, cameos and the occasional SW-related tv movies. We were so hyped to the heavens for the Prequels that we didn't see the warning signs when Lucas shat on SW by making the Special Editions. I walked out of the cinema in confusion after watching TPM. It's like a Believer being told by God himself that your religion is a sham. Lucas is a sfx visionary and world builder but he is a hack in script writing and needed people to tell him off. The actors like Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford frequently refused to act out the lines Lucas wrote. Carrie Fisher even became a script doctor due to her experience with Lucas' terrible scripts.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wew. Lots of Lucas and Disney fanbois it looks like based on the vitriol.

[-] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago

I wish Mark Hamill was my cool uncle

[-] dill@lemmy.one 19 points 2 years ago

Think the bong is still for sale?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago
[-] MermaidsGarden@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Never tell me the odds!

[-] BravoVictor@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

So you’re telling me there’s a chance…!

[-] BitOneZero@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

He learned from the best... George Lucas did everything he could with Bill Moyers to open source the whole humanity meme pattern inspiration in Star Wars. He was trying to tie pre-film, pre-cinema, patterns to film. Passing down the meat and potatoes of society to each generation.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Kind of wild to think that Star Wars was filmed when "The Hero With A Thousand Faces" was cutting edge literary theory.

Damn, come to think of it he probably went to some of Joseph Campbell's lectures.

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago

Mar🐪 is a legend of legends.

[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 11 points 2 years ago

I went to Star Wars Celebration VI back in 2012 and it was $225 to get Mark Hammil's autograph. I opted instead to get Peter Mayhew's for $60. RIP Mr. Mayhew.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But he's too famous of an actor to write funny things, everybody knows that after you've been in a couple of big movies, you aren't allowed to do funny bits on the Internet anymore.

Maybe he's one of those "meme accounts" or something.

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