I moved several years worth of emails off their platform and closed my subscription on Friday. Enough is enough. Iām not giving this guy another dime. I specifically pointed to andy88ās behaviour in the āwhy are you cancellingā dialogue. I feel for the good people who work at that company and donāt support this, but we all have choices to make.
Scratch under the surface of every for profit privacy / anonymity service, you find shitty libertarian cryptobros who probably post racist memes on 4chan while whining about feminism in the man-o-sphere. That doesn't speak to the nature of people who care about privacy, it speaks to the nature of people who care about privacy and also want to do capitalism.
Except Proton AG is owned by a Non-Profit, the Proton Foundation. Andy Yen can't directly pocket the profits, except by asking the non-profit board of trustees to give him a raise in salary (and there's probably legal limitations to the salary, otherwise everyone could just claim to be a "Non-Profit" while secretly making profits).
Just a reminder that democrats funded a genocide and police brutality. Democrats are no better than Republicans.
Why is this getting downvoted? It is a well known truth that the Democrats funded the Palestinian Genocide
Many people in Lemmy donāt want to accept reality.
Totally in good faith. A post from last year? Yea, suck my dick andy. Deleting my account asap.
"hey guys social media manager here. It was all my fault. It's not our CEOs fault, at all. Just mine. Who am I? Well I can say my name definitely doesn't start with an A and end in a Y. Just little ol' faceless nameless me. Tee hee sorry."
Don't like it, move out.
Glad I cancelled. If the CEO is this clueless and/or and/or ignorant and/or disingenuous do I really want them responsible for my private data?
Get. Off. Reddit.
What is this about?
As swiss person I have to meet and talk to this guy, he can not be that stupid!
We definitely have something like the republicans party, it is called SVP (Schweizerische Volkspartei). SVP uses exactly the same tactics as republicans, like anti āwokeā, anti regulation, anti common media, pro hate-speech(āanti censorshipā), etc.
We just not have a single party to counter it, like democrats, but like 10 parties with little nuances.
We have some small parties besides SVP āon the republican siteā but those tend to be irrelevant. Maybe, the anti corona party has a some relevance, still, but I guess their power is sinking.
I personally support the pirate party, which mainly stands for privacy, no matter if left or right, but the party it self is leading to the left (democratic) side.
At least, that is how I understand our situation here.
I am sure he is very smart about a lot of things. Unfortunately US politics are not one of those things. I also suspect he is not that good at business considering he just alienated a lot of his customers.
Andy out here shooting straight through his foot and putting holes in his boat's hull.
I can't be the only one who struggled to read that, and for general accessibility purposes since I'm already here:
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andy1011000 Proton CEO posted:
"People honestly seem to forget that I live in Switzerland, where Republican/Democrat doesn't mean anything, and Trump isn't even on our ballot to be voted for..."
Onyx376. replied:
"The point is that fighting for a more just and equal society is not just about fighting for the fundamental right to privacy but also for all other fundamental rights, including individual rights and life. When you, as the CEO of a company that starts from these principles, nod positively to whatever action a political figure like Trump, who is known for always flagrantly putting his private interests ahead of those of his own nation, makes speeches about eliminating minorities, hurting their rights as citizens and flirting with Nazi movements, it is understandable that members of the privacy community are disappointed as this reveals a little about who is being the face of a company that should follow contrary principles. But now we really know what "freedom" means to you."
This needs to be pinned at the top: only a Nazi goes out of their way to put an 88 in their username. He thinks heās clever by putting it in binary so people donāt immediately call him out. Nazis get off on that kind of ācleverā dogwhistle.
only a Nazi goes out of their way to put an 88 in their username
Yeah, I'm gonna need a citation for that. I was born in 1988.
A wise man once told me, don't mess with politics. The moment you show stance (which usually isn't beneficial), you cut off options from yourself and endanger customer relationship.
Proton should just do business as usual, without that single post things would probably be just fine.
The fight for privacy and digital freedom is inherently political.
I seem to remember that Switzerland has a history of profiting from their relationships with Nazi's. Thus they might not be a good source of advice as to what to do about Nazi's.
Giorgio Galli ... the born of Nazism and please stop to rant about Trump and Nazism ... the Nazism did not born in Germany but in the civilized Vienna and in France, the young Hitler was having masters that did not seen a judge after the war and the heritage of them is still very much thriving in Bruxelles ... and really I am not here to lecture but to explore the web iceberg with freemind and happiness ... not to bother myself with these gross traces of ignorance ( very easy to be solved with 4-5 kilos of right books ).
Ridiculous.
He specifically started talking about American party politics, unprompted, making sweeping statements about both Democrats and Republicans. NOW he wants to blame us for...being concerned with his views on American party politics? Dude. Get real.
Saying stupid shit now and then is forgivable, but not if you take it in as the new nucleus of your public image. Why do so many public figures have this compulsion to double down combatively?
Tangential: shouldn't it be "Naziism"? Like, in "Nazi" the "i" belongs to "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei", or the "Natioā" part. But shouldn't there be another "i" that goes with the "ism" suffix, so "Naziism"? Am I thinking about it in the wrong way?
Or just fascism, nazi is a specific brand of fascism
I'm not talking about the ideology here, I'm talking about the linguistics of it all, specifically about the word "Nazism". š
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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