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So I've been barely active on Lemmy for a litany of reasons but I am active elsewhere. Specifically, Bluesky. I run an account that I've posted here a couple times called the Starfleet Press Office where I post lil tweets that take place kinda within the Star Trek universe, breaking the fourth wall to an extent. The idea is that the Department of Temporal Investigations owed a favor to the team in charge of the S.P.O so he got a temporal link to Bsky set up. For fun. So random tweets get posted that are commenting on current episodes (A few were made for different Lower Decks episodes as they were posted), other ones about just random events in the universe that I think would be funny (sometimes lining up with holidays, like some Santa teleportation nonsense), and others that take real world events and parody them in the Star Trek universe, like the ferengi CEO of a health insurance conglomerate getting killed.

I'm clearly doing something right because @RealGulDukat, the guy who posts Trump tweets as if Dukat said them, follows only 13 people on Bsky and one of them is me. So whatever nonsense I keep posting I'm just gonna stick with. Drop by and say hi!

Starfleet Press Office / @Starfleet-Command on Bsky

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 hours ago

Every time I see this, I'm reminded of the weird right wing star trek subreddit called r/star_trek where people disagreed with this. It was wild that they "watched" the same shows where it literally has every single of these characters and went "nah I disagree"

[-] boomzilla@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

The Boys got too woke in later seasons. Black Dr. Who is just forced DEI politics. Heisenberg is actually an american icon for supporting his family and working two jobs while having cancer. Real Jedis would vote Trump for peace in the galaxy.

[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 36 points 14 hours ago
[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Woke is the new sheeple. In that...anyone who says is unironically is you know they're an absolute moron parroting the latest talking points they were told to be outraged at.

[-] jrs100000@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

Sisko was obviously space Moses, not space Jesus.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

The only people who say this shit are people who saw a thirty-second segment on Fox News. Star Trek and Star Wars have been woke for as long as they've existed, and that's partly why they're so fantastic.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 51 points 18 hours ago

Kirk and Uhura kiss, 1968

Woke, you say? Dare I remind people what racial tensions were like when this episode came out in (checks notes) 1968?

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Why were people outraged? That's clearly an alien woman and not a black woman that Kirk has his tongue jammed down the throat of. /s

[-] SatyrSack@feddit.org 7 points 11 hours ago

The bad guys were also telekinetically forcing them to do it.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

Yes. And all those cat girls are really 3000 years old.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 44 points 19 hours ago

Every societal change that's happened before I was born was just the natural way of things and needs to be preserved.
Every societal change that's happened after I was born is the evil work of the woke devil worshippers destroying society.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

If you go back a little in time me you can talk about how rock music and the shaking of hips would destroy society. A little further and it was the first kiss on screen.

This is true of every generation it seems. Here is a supposed quote from King Naram Sin of Chaldea, 3800 years B.C

"We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents."

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

People used to think the sound of a flushing toilet onscreen would destroy society. Moral puritans are garbage

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 49 points 20 hours ago

Now? It’s amazing how people either didn’t know or willingly ignored TOS. Think about the episode with the half and half people, or the first time there was an interracial kiss. Star Trek has been “woke” since the 60s.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 28 points 20 hours ago

Slight correction but TOS didn't have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.

Not that it makes the kiss mean any less, just a clarification for future reference. So many people are assholes and I've seen them use that oft made mistake to try and discredit everything else someone says.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

Obviously Gene would rather be horny than racist.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago

Slight correction but TOS didn't have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.

Do I recall correctly that Trek did have the first one aired at primetime? I feel like I read that somewhere, but I don't have a source.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 18 points 19 hours ago

It is like the second one showing on national tv in the US.

Still pretty woke though.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 12 points 20 hours ago

Huh, didn’t know that. I thought it was the first aired during prime time. So who does that award go to?

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 57 points 20 hours ago

Why am I blanking on "Communist Himbo"? Is that supposed to be Rom?

[-] SatyrSack@feddit.org 6 points 11 hours ago

That is always the consensus whenever this is reposted, but I would argue that description doesn't really fit. Rom is too clever and not hypermasculine enough

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Himbo

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 37 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, that's my guess. He did quote the Communist Manifesto

[-] Norin@lemmy.world 41 points 20 hours ago

Formed a union, charmed one of the most beautiful women in the quadrant, saved that quadrant with a mix of intelligence and courage, raised his son to be a war hero, and eventually became the Grand Nagus.

We Stan Rom in this house.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 3 points 8 hours ago

We Stan Rom in this house.

If you haven't seen Ron's guest appearance in Star Trek: Lower Decks, be sure to check it out. It's a delight.

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[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 9 points 17 hours ago

It’s %100 rom and it’s a perfect description of him

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[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

I don’t see how the Trill experience is like the trans experience in anything but the most superficial way. Unless we’re saying that a trans person’s new identity is something that was external and has since been imposed and internalized.

But that doesn’t get it right either. Every trans person I’ve met has rejected their previous identity and adopted a new one, but Trill incorporate their old identity into the new, and form a kind of synthesis.

The last part I find incongruous is that trans people work so hard to align their physical presentation with their internal experience so that others’ treatment of them reflects their self-perception but Trill defy this. Jadzia Dax presents very strongly as fem but behaves very outwardly as masc. This is a character ultimately designed to satisfy the male gaze and the male desire for a “drinking buddy”; i.e. the “action girl” trope.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Jadzia Dax presents very strongly as fem but behaves very outwardly as masc.

But the bit that matters is that characters we're meant to admire chose to accept Dax as they presented at any given time, without giving them needless crap for it.

I recall most LGBT characters on TV at the time had to accept a studio mandated minimum quota of jokes at their expense.

Dax was refreshingly different, in being allowed to present as LGBT and as a heartthrob love interest.

(And bonus kudos to Garak the Simple Taylor for also being an LGBT heart-throb love interest when that certainly wasn't allowed by the studios.)

This is a character ultimately designed to satisfy the male gaze and the male desire for a “drinking buddy”; i.e. the “action girl” trope.

I mean, yeah. You're very correct that Dax is about male gaze much more than Trans representation.

But this sign I had made special for Star Trek applies once again:

Empathy through horniness still technically counts as progress.

Lol.

[-] TransSynthesist 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I am trans. Your take is not accurate. There is literally no way to transition and at the same time, forget/abandon who you are as a person; skills, core values, ethics, hobbies, likes, dislikes, etc, etc. They persist.

What changes is what a person is "allowed" to like/feel/express.

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 19 hours ago

I enjoyed star trek before it got woke. I still enjoy ~~TNG~~ ~~TOS~~ ~~The Cage~~ The intro. There's nothing woke about "space"

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 2 points 8 hours ago

Lol. I'm gonna steal that. The first word of the first episode intro is indeed, pretty politically neutral.

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago

Now I want someone to over interpret it in both ways

[-] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago

Honestly, exploring for exploration's sake (as opposed to conquest or resource extraction) is pretty woke too.

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 17 hours ago

True, but "the final frontier" sounds alot like Manifest Destiny and makes the US look like the humanistic project the federation is. I think star trek plays both teams and actually always wins. It appeals to those who like hierarchical militaristic power structures while giving a utopian one to those unsatisfied with the real ones. Don't get me wrong, I read it as a left utopia but I have my issues and see how people from other points of the spectrum enjoy it too.

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago

Except for the one inconvenient point that the entire series is predicted on THE ENTIRE SPECIES GOING WOKE AND NOT BICKERING OVER IT.

Do we seriously think us ugly bags of mostly water could get safely out to the hard vacuum of space without a lengthy bout of cooperation and super-getting-along powers?

I suspect we are actually upset about is the in-your-face woke tropes that are used as 2x4s with nails driven through them as devices to drive the narrative. But that's not just trek, that's kinda all modern media. It's almost like the corresponding rise in incivility and everyday life is being protested, or warned against by the people doing the writing. I agree that it's poorly executed but bad writing doesn't mean that "being good and kind to one another" is a shitty idea, or that it's impossible have characters acting with an enlightened humanity, which is all being "woke" actually is.

The lore does require a "nuclear horror" followed by the invention of faster-than-light travel (along with the energy source to power same) and then meeting sentient spacefaring aliens, like, a few minutes later.

[-] logos@sh.itjust.works 26 points 20 hours ago

I wish anybody would make something as woke as DS9 again

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago

Yeah!

Weirdly, The Orville is the recently created media that stands closest, in my opinion.

I think it's a far cry from DS9.

And I'm pretty sure I don't share many politics with Seth MacFarlane.

But The Orville genuinely prioritizes asking the audience to reflect on tough topics through a lens of empathy and compromise.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 18 points 19 hours ago

@stamets is back!! We've missed you buddy!!!

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

<3 Hey buddy

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