The problem is you're comparing labor to labor. Try owning property, that graph has exponential growth with no cieling, you know, like cancer.
You have a point, I guess I forgot to consider Playing The Game. And yeah, investing something off the side does sound like a good idea.
To some extent it is accurate. Only a finite amount of knowledge can be applied to a task and excess experience doesn't bring any additional benefit on its own.
Does the salary take into account inflation?
It might be accurate for one person in a hundred.
LABEL YOUR FUCKING AXIS AAAAAAAAAA
I'm actually not sure how you'd label the axis here. The info being conveyed is the relationship between two separate things.
X would be hardness of job and y would be salary
I can clear that up for you. The X axis is vibes and the Y axis is vibe dependent vibes.
After many careers and much money earned and spent, I now try to go by „ikigai“. Its a japanese theory and teaches you to be aware of what it is that you want, what makes you money, what the world needs and what you‘re good at, basically. This is how I went from a very well paid but soul sucking job to a lesser paid but much more fulfilling work.
For me it was building computers and the stuff around it. Its fun and it makes decent money if done right.
Good luck!
The amount of money you save (and invest) isn't accurately depicted with this though. Living expenses don't necessarily grow with take home, if you keep lifestyle creep to a minimum.
So what this means is that if you make $100k and save $10k/year, if you start making $200k you can save the same $10k/year, plus the entire additional $100k after taxes (let's just say that's $50k+). So you doubled your salary but your savings went up 6x+.
Salary really depends on value provided or enabled. That's why more knowledge stops mattering at a certain point, someone with a month of experience driving a forklift is less valuable than someone with 3 years, but 6 years of experience isn't significantly different.
There's also benefits to being closer to money to show value. This is why sales jobs tend to pay better, as showing direct responsibility for 1 million in sales vs keeping the machines running that made the product.
There's also benefits to being closer to money to show value
Ah that's a good tip actually
Your graph is missing the more important factor: demand.
I'm guessing you weren't born into money, which is what most ultra wealthy people do. So failing that, you need to cultivate a skillset which includes doing something that other people want and are willing to pay for. And yes, that often means learning specialized, or dangerous skills. Take something like a high voltage electrician, they can make good moeny but they need a specific skillset, certifications, and fucking up can mean dying very quickly. Construction divers or underwater welders can earn good money as well. Though again, specific skillsets, certifications, and risks. On the less risky side, programmers can make good money, though that usually does require a lot of learning. IT and cybersecurity also fit this bill, though they do tend to follow your graph.
In short, businesses pay for people because they have a need for something to get done. No need, no money. You can be the most knowledgeable person in the world about flaking stone tools, and you are going to be struggling. Another route to income is starting your own business, but this has similar pitfalls. Start a business which people aren't interested in and you're going to flounder. Also, running a business does take it's own skillset, beyond the skillset involved in whatever the business's focus area is. Though, done right, you can focus on running the business and hire people to do the other stuff.
You are falling into a trap a lot of young, smart people do. You are assuming that knowledge and intelligence is what you need to succeed. It's not your fault, you've been fed that line for the last 12-ish years of your life by schools and society. It's bullshit. They do help, but knowing the right people, luck and the ability to socialize are more important. In short, go to business school and go into management. If that doesn't appeal to you (and that is perfectly valid) then you need to find and learn skills that businesses are willing to pay for. At the moment, that probably means a trade, like electrician or welder; or, a technical role such as engineering, IT or programming. If your interest is in the Humanities, sorry you're probably fucked.
You are falling into a trap a lot of young, smart people do. You are assuming that knowledge and intelligence is what you need to succeed.
Thank you for telling me this
IT and cybersecurity also fit this bill, though they do tend to follow your graph.
You're right! These kinds of jobs were the ones I was initially looking at (the cliche that engineers make good money is true but you're right, the diminishing returns do start to kick in)
Networking in university got me my first jobs and they were very good starting jobs.
I don’t mean you have to go out and be fake, but get involved in a bunch of stuff, and make sure to check if your department has any corporate relationships you can use.
Meeting people pays the best dividends in life.
Who you know, and the opportunities they afford is a game changer for career trajectory.
The big reason to pay money or get into a good school isnt that the education is of that much higher quality, its about who your friends are, and more importantly what their parents or parents friends do. You have a friend all through school and one day you are like 'i wanted to get an internship somewhere but im not sure how to go about it' and then your friend is like 'oh my mum/dads friend is a senior manager/team leader at XY good company, im sure they can find you a placement.'
But saying this, it is "who you know not what you know" until your in the job and its a matter of time until it becomes "what you know and who you know won't save you", except the rare circumstances where your working for dad in the whitehouse or something.
Meeting people pays the best dividends in life.
Mmm well said. That makes sense
Generally speaking, wealth is not built by working. It's built by investing. It's possible to have a relatively small salary and get relatively wealthy if you consistently live below your means and invest the surplus. Power of compounding.
Oh I see, I will keep this in mind. Yeah I suspected that any jobs that got you super good money were not because of the knowledge but because of playing the game/luck.
Is there a field where that red curve is flipped so that each extra aquired unit of expertise earns you exponentially more money?
Continuing to work for the same company will only provide +2% to +4% per year regardless of knowledge gained. You aren't paid for how much you know.
To get the large gains in income, you have to re-set your salary by changing jobs, at which point you get one big bump, then go back to +2% to +4% per year.
I see, it's useful for me to know that it will work like this.
To be honest, when you continue to work for the same company, your knowledge will also only grow by +2% to +4% per year.
You'll be the go-to guy for a number of things, all of which you've done a thousand times. Doing something else will decrease the team's efficiency, cause someone else is the go-to guy with the expert knowledge on that.
And you only work within the context of your company, without getting exposed to how other companies do things.
It takes a certain soft skill to break out of one setting and hit the ground running somewhere else, which most don't have. And after you switch, you bring a valuable outside view into whatever company you enter. That's part of the reason you can demand more at a new workplace.
Staying for a long time in one place also offers comfort and familiarity, which have value for people, especially with families.
Employers need to pay more to make up for that loss in "value".
Not true for everyone. My pay rises over the past 5 years were around 35% on top of my starting wage, specifically linked to how much knowledge or experience I have gained in the role.
It's hard to overstate how much money "2-3x what a run of the mill job makes" is over the course of a lifetime. I guess to you right now it doesn't seem like much, but someone who makes three times more money than someone else is significantly more well off. There aren't any wage jobs that are going to net you exponential salary growth. Your only hope there is to strike gold and found PayPal or Microsoft or something.
I guess to you right now it doesn't seem like much, but someone who makes three times more money than someone else is significantly more well off.
Oh I see. Ok I'll keep that in mind.
Manipulativeness
Sales. No joke — the knowledge you need has a hard cap (the product line) but sales is commonly the highest-paid entry level employee (as long as you hit commission).
Now add a line in here for “effort” flattening out over time and that’s what I wanna see.
Con man? CEO? Hedge fund manager?
But seriously, generally anything having an exponential return in this world is pretty unusual and generally not guaranteed if it's a desirable outcome.
Particularly in a capitalist economy, the business only has to pay you just enough to not leave for a competitor, they don't need to pay you the true value of your ability unless you're basically the only person on the planet with the necessary skills.
On the flip side, in booming industries that require specific skills such as tech, you can generally get a pretty linear progression for a while before it plateaus in a good number of organisations.
Trades. If you are a plumber or an auto mechanic you can make a killing. Doubly so if you own the business. If I had it to do over again I would get a business degree and then become an electrician.
This is my take on it. That unexpected spike in the salary is slightly skewed stats from the billionaires with all the money and none of the knowledge.
Then it goes back down to nearly 0 where most of our average wages actually are.
Source: My source is that I made it the fuck up, but it's certainly what it feels like when you see the clueless assholes with money and power.
Get into politics.
Replace "expert knowledge" with "knowledge about how to manipulate people to vote for you"
Take bribes. Listens to whats your puppet-masters tell you to vote.
Ez money.
/s
Obviously ripoffs are the best money makers :-) But I'm not that kinda guy
Play around with this for a bit: https://networthify.com/calculator/earlyretirement?income=50000&initialBalance=0&expenses=20000&annualPct=5&withdrawalRate=4
Consider spending 30k yearly when you're earning 50k. You can retire in about 20 years if you keep to that. You really gotta keep to it though, spending 40k means you'd have to work almost 40 years instead.
Now compare that to spending 30k when making 100k. Now you can retire in 9 years. Even if you have to spend literally twice as much time+effort doing so, you end up with more of your life leftover.
This is not to say that you should take a job you hate, but rather to say that making more money does make your life better, but only up to a point. If you find a job that you genuinely enjoy, great do that. If you're picking between different things you dislike, translate it back into years instead of trying to understand it in made up funny money numbers. And when you get there, stop.
I would have agreed with this chart a decade ago but not now. I recently quit being an systems engineer to being a high voltage electrician. My job stress and required knowledge went down considerably, my pay went up 2x. I would love to recommend school but cannot as I feel like it was a waste for my career path.
This is somewhat off topic, but it is actually related to knowledge, income, and returns.
I'm telling you from experience, make enough money to live comfortably and stop when you get there. If at all possible, don't have a long commute. Don't have a prestige job. Don't have a position that requires OT or sprints. I deescalated my role to something more banal and my happiness went way up.
You're likely not in a position to do that at 20, but when you get somewhat into a career and life sucks and you hate your work and you want to die, start looking for something that pays less but also doesn't suck the life out of you.
Mmm yess this is my plan
not really true depends on the field
The green curve would be higher that the red one everywhere.
There is a brief inversion at high salary values where CEOs exist
Nassim Nicholas Taleb talks about this when he explains his own career. He realized the amount of effort he had in him was never going to change, so he wanted a field where earnings weren't limited by his own effort - the dream of passive income. He became an expert on risk and a well known writer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb
Agreed, good tip. Yeah his persective is certainly valuable
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