At least they low key admits China&DPRK are under dictatorship, a quality hard to find from .ml user
Ah yes, the famously communist Russian Federation. The RF is nakedly an imperial fascist regime that doesn't even have communist window dressing, it boggles the mind that self-proclaimed communists and anti-imperialists support them.
RF is a Cult of personality, pretending to be a Mafia, pretending to be an empire. pretending to be a gas station masquerading as a state.
Careful you'll get banned from .ml for saying that... :)-
Well in that case:
Ah yes, the famously communist Russian Federation. The RF is nakedly an imperial fascist regime that doesn’t even have communist window dressing, it boggles the mind that self-proclaimed communists and anti-imperialists support them.
Wut? Was he talking about the previous Ukrainian government, sponsored by Russia™? I can't make sense of what he is saying, actually.
I had to reread it a few times myself, but I'm pretty sure that's what he's talkin about
Because everyone knows Russia is well known for their totally legit free and fair elections/s
i got a veteran friend who would not take kindly to people saying her country should be permanently tied to a country whose name she refuses to spell correctly. the .ml tankists have, apparently, no concept of a false flag operation
Dude doesn't know about Euromaidan. I wish some of these children would go to russia.
Yogthos is the kind of piece of shit that "critically supports" bombing Ukrainian kindergartens and maternity wards as long as, somewhere in the world, at least one Western tear is shed over it. Blocking them makes the fediverse far less unpleasant.
Wonder why that user account is above the rules of the instance and its communities. The modlog is full of examples which should apply to their behavior as well
They're a mod of several .ml communities. Just like every communist dictatorship, laws and rules don't matter when it's the one in charge breaking them.
Let's not pander the charade of that being communism
One of the best decisions I've made
I dont get how tankies can support a "communist" nation like China that has an investor class and whose system requires the mistreatment of the proletariat.
Because they don't support communism. They just like one version of ogliarchy better than the other.
They're authoritarians not communists ie. the ole schtick.
At least China goes through the motions of being Communist. They also somehow support 21st century Russia which is just openly an authoritarian oligarchy.
My 'favorite' is when they defend clerical fascism in Iran as some kind of fantastic anti-capitalist development,
The leftists allied with the religious nutjobs in the revolution, then got murdered immediately afterwards because the religious nutjobs didn't want a leftist government that tolerated religion, they wanted an authoritarian theocracy. Some people somehow think that any leftist-backed revolution always goes brilliantly and ends up with utopian socialism or communism and no one ever exploits the post-revolutionary power vacuum for their own ends. That isn't compatible with what happened, so instead, they must believe that the leftists survived being murdered and now run Iran.
"Because they'll eventually take away their wealth or kill them" is an argument I've actually seen on .ml. I'm not against the sentiment of getting rid of the capitalists but cmon, when someone says China isn't socialist and points at a clearly capitalist behavior you can't be "it's still socialist because the capitalist thing will be fixed in the future". Then every country might as well be socialist, we'll just fix capitalism at some later date.
Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to recommend 2000 pages of communist literature that wouldn't even prove their point even if you read it all.
The "Party" sits above the "Money" in their power structure, unlike most of the Capitalist countries nowadays were (after 4 decades of Neoliberalism) Money is a power above that of the State (and remember, the State is what the voters supposedly control in Democracy, so that means that Money is a higher power than Democracy, which is why many have pointed out that countries like the US are Oligarchies not Democracies).
And, for reference, in Fascism too (or, in fact, all other Autocratic systems) the State sits above Money, so I'm hardly saying that by itself that is enough to make that system good
The real hypocrisy of tankies, IMHO, is that the "Communist" nations they support in a tribalist way still have elites, they're just not chosen via Money but instead via ability of climbing up the Party ranks (so Cronyism and Sociopathy) whilst genuine Leftwing thinking is about Equality, the very opposite of there being people who get privileged treatment for any reason other than need (that reason being money as in Capitalist system or something else is quite irrelevant in Leftwing thinking)
If you just see them as tribalists wedded to an ideology shaped by a specific kind of elites who use a specific kind of slogans around Equality to support the continuation of the structure that maintains their elite privileges, (which is parallel to what's done in Capitalism which similarly has the whole bullshit about how wealth is the product of merit to justify discrimination based on wealth) you can understand why tankies would think what they do about China.
They're still mindless simpleton tribalists, but it's interesting to understand how using as foundation for ones own judgement an ideology controlled by somebody else without doing at the very least some analysing of it just as easily yields a tankie, a Fascist or a (Neo)liberal depending on which ideological bundle of slogans they've unquestioningly adopted.
Least idiotic .ml user
Lmao, it's yogthos. Canada's most notorious freedom fighter lmao.
/s.
That dip couldn't find the freedom he is "fighting" for if Marx drew him a map with directions.
Yeah, the reason he's so happy about everything Russia does is that he's a software engineer with over a decade of experience living in Canada, he's living the cozy life and literally never going back to Russia because he's way too soft for that at this point.
That particular post also got me banned from the community. I said something to the tune that I'll agree with the state department on China, North Korea and Russia/Ukraine, but disagree on Cuba and Israel/Palestine, which probably makes me more of a leftist than all those dictator simping tankies. Someone did not like me pointing that out.
You ever point out to those people that Russia and China are very much NOT communist countries nowadays and people only simp for them because it's opposition to American global hegemony... Yeah you'll just get banned. I've been banned from .ml memes AND hexbear memes communities by now.
It almost feels like posting yogthos is cheating
Huh. And here I thought Yogthos was a Chinese plant. Turns out they like the taste of Russian leather just the same.
Average Yogthos verbal vomit.
dude talks about not having free and fair elections, supports best korea.
Yogthos drank the vatnik koolaid.
The best part is that he is a very well paid software engineer living in ThE WeSt.
Couldn't be more of a hypocrite if he fuckin' tried.
My favorite theory is Putin interfered to have Zelenskyy elected as a sort of lame-dog. Only for him to become the badass we know and love.
Im still learning Lemmy, but for once it finally sent me to a place thats cool.
hello fellow vatnik tankie red-nazi z-gonk dunkers.
Lmao, I blocked him so long ago I forgot about his existence. Now look what you brought there, a forgottenone!
For those who like me can't read the original meme text:
"Leftists" whose political opinions on China, DPR Korea, Cuba, Israel, and Ukraine mirror the U.S. State Department's position
And then the face the person is seeing in the mirror is a clown.
I wouldn't have even tried to engage on the China / N Korea / Ukraine side of the analogy. The other one is a lot more absurd. I don't think there is any non-trivial number of "leftists" on Lemmy who think that Israel "has a right to defend herself" and deserves tons of weapons, or that Cuba is a terrorist state.
Israel “has a right to defend herself”
It does but what it does far exceeds legitimate defence. And what it does also isn't building Zionism because antagonising people goes directly against the goal of creating a place for Jews to live in peace and prosperity.
I gave up on it when the fucker killed Rabin and it's been a constant slide into full-on fascism since then, as in, fascist modes of thinking captured more and more of Israeli politics to the point where even the left is largely cooked. They may disavow what Amir did but they still share his outlook towards "security". They may not be actively genocidal but still support "antagonise until Palestinians give up". The situation is fucked in pretty much every way that a situation can possibly be fucked.
"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
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