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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Socialism works

From here

Examples from this post by /u/bayarea415, Stephen Gowans - Do publicly owned, planned economies work, Ian Goodrum - Socialism vs Capitalism and quality of life, and yogthos's USSR acheivements post about the USSR specifically:

When it is claimed that a system works, we should ask, who it works for. Capitalism benefits a tiny number of rapacious capitalists, to the detriment of the rest of us, while Socialism works for the masses.


Now let's take a look at what happens after the USSR collapsed, and what came with capitalist privatization:

For an overview of the soviet experiment, watch this brilliant talk by Micheal Parenti, or read his article, Left anticommunism, the unkindest cut.

Also read this great article by Stephen Gowans, Do publicly owned, planned economies work?. Audio on youtube

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[-] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 17 points 6 months ago

This image is silly though because you could just replace the text with "the sky is blue" or any other fact to make the opposite point. Like if you're going to make a political cartoon the cartoon itself needs to be making some point. Don't be like that seppo loon that just writes labels on everything.

Something like this is much funnier as the image and text play together.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Funny enough, in the essay Adam Smith's Socialism, the author analyzes what Smith's prediction of Socialism would look like had he been a Socialist, with his own analysis of Capitalism. Kind of a "what if?" Scenario.

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[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 16 points 6 months ago

Communism has the same problem as every other system

People

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 months ago
[-] mukt@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Mao actually said deeper stuff

EDIT: Many communists claim there is no record of this. They are correct - there is no official record of this ... in China.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

Mao pointing out the depravity of the Yankeestan and willingness to use nuclear weapons against other nations isn't the own that you seem to think it is. By the way, I love how you follow me around like a court jester. It's adorable.

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[-] funnyguy@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

Communism has the same problem as every other system

la cia

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago

Very good! Can you make a crayon drawing of that?

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[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

Defeating socialism by being plain old anti-social. lol.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Sure, people will have disagreements in Communism. Do you think that holds back Communism to a greater degree than Capitalism?

[-] Vitaly@feddit.uk 14 points 6 months ago
[-] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

Live the meme, free thinker.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 15 points 6 months ago
[-] Vitaly@feddit.uk 6 points 6 months ago

It's a great idea that simply doesn't work in practice

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 7 points 6 months ago

It doesn't work in practice when capitalist countries routinely snuff it out. You're correct, but not for a good reason.

[-] _lunar@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

cool platitude bro

you've never actually thought about this at all have you?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

What do you mean by that? I think it's pretty evident by analyzing AES states that shifting the economy into a more collectivized and planned direction comes with numerous benefits. What do you mean when you say it "doesn't work in practice?"

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

In what manner?

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[-] thezeesystem 9 points 6 months ago

It's interesting how many people here have succumbed to Amerikkkas propaganda machine.

I was on TikTok and went to redNOTE and just signed up as a way to say fuck you to the government. Got bored and checked it out and there lives are incredibly more impressive and full of life. Full of family and love and compassion.

If "communism" is so evil, why do they have no ~~slaves~~ prison ~~labor~~ like the Amerikkkas? Free healthcare? Little to no homelessness? Accepting of others who are different?

We can't have that communism in this country! That's not Amerikkka enough! We need to make people afraid to live as we the people are the capatilisms resources. We are not the people.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Should I make one of these that has all the Auth left countries telling the free thinker that "this is the only way to communism"?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago

Except countries that have existing socialism aren't doing that. In fact, China very openly says that their system is a product of their history, culture, and material conditions. Unlike western libs, they're not trying to franchise and remodel other countries into their own image. Neither does Cuba or Vietnam last I checked.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago

This is also why the CPC names their system Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. They want a multi-polar world, where hundreds of different socialisms can bloom on their own without fear of intervention, and especially being attacked by the US:

"Socialism with [insert any country here] characteristics"

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 6 months ago

Can you imagine a Cuba without the embargo?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago

Would be pretty wonderful, they could be as far along as the PRC, but in the western hemisphere. The US could never tolerate the threat of a good example so close to its borders though of course.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 6 months ago

They already have to deal with Cuban healthcare and doctors.

[-] mukt@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

China is only looking for military solutions to expsnd their systen where it is not a product of history : Taiwan, Philippines, bits of India, entire Tibet ... scratch that. Tibet is already a product of Chinese "... history, culture, and material conditions."

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago
[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

Just one more Paris Commune bro. It'll work this time I swear.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

I think there's a bit of a disconnect here. The Anarchist conception of Communism and the Marxist conception are similar sounding, but fundamentally entirely different. This is due to Anarchists seeking to abolish hierarchy, while Marxists seek to abolish class. What does that look like?

For Anarchists, this path generally takes the form of a horizontalist network of communes, or other such unit. Communes have equal ownership within themselves, and trade with other communes via systems of Mutual Aid. The general Marxist critique is that this turns everyone into Petite Bourgeoisie, all interested in the success of their own commune over the entire system the way a Capitalist is more interested in their own profits than those in their supply chain, even if they depend on each other. This can lead to inefficiency and a resurgence of Capitalism.

For Marxists, this path takes the form of collectivizing all industry into full public ownership and planning in a global republic. This requires administration, government, etc, though many of these functions become less necessary when moving beyond class society. The Anarchist critique is that this retains hierarchy.

So, in a way, Marxism is the only path to what Marxists describe as Communism, and is absolutely not a path to Anarchism.

[-] twinnie@feddit.uk 5 points 6 months ago

Communism has a 100% success rate.

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