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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[-] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Ive been using proton for a little more than a year now and I think that the service is one of the best out there. That, and their privacy guides in their blog are great as well. I think abandoning ship this early isn't really a need. I've abondonded things like Plex for jellyfin due to Plex starting to feel very commerical. As others have pointed out, the governing of the company may keep one individuals views from interfering with the products. With that said, if your beliefs swing opposite, i see how it can leave a bad taste and make it worth keeping an eye on the direction of the company.

[-] tisktisk@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Can we stop stooping to their level and quit the 'fascist' rhetoric. How can ppl like OP not recognize they revel in anyone antagonizing with the absurd 'fascist'. All the mud-slinging is exactly how all this got so messed up so quickly

Also who's going to mailbox with me?

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[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Escape from Tuta for what reason if you're willing to share? I see it recommended a lot.

[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Oh boy, getting old here, let's see if I can remember.

I think in part it was because they seemed unable to fix the Linux desktop client after months and months and months, and repeated support requests. Also, I had been a user of theirs for some time when they changed how their plans worked, and moved a feature I relied heavily upon (I think it was email templates—something you might never need!) to a much more expensive plan. Felt like I was being charged more for being a longtime user. I don't know if they have cloud storage now, but at the time they didn't, and Proton had that, along of course with mail and calendar—all of that for less than what Tuta was offering which was mail, calendar, and plenty of other features that were continuously promised but never released. So really just a bunch of little things that were important to me, but which other users might never miss.

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago

Thanks for the writeup. It helps to know where to look to make an informed decision, when I finally have the time to sit down and de-google.

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Uhg. How much longer until it's more viable to self host...

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[-] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

why are so many people going apeshit with marketing and PR? yeah the guy seems to be a sycophant, licking boot to protect his business, while throwing out a couple of unfortunate truths

if or when Trump finally condenses the fascistic and white supremacist tendencies of the US overtly into the regime, would you expect Proton to lead the resistance? maybe Ben & Jerry's? or some other progressive BS posturing company?

why are we talking about what Proton stands for? it is not a person with ideologies...fuck corporate personhood

people looking for "good companies" is just sad

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[-] MangoPenguin 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

[-] Snothvalpen 5 points 1 day ago

As far as I can tell from posteo's own FAQ site, they do not allow custom domains. I'd really consider swithcing to them otherwise. Do you use posteo?

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

I literally just asked their support about this last year and they confirmed they intentionally don't offer this option.

[-] MangoPenguin 3 points 1 day ago

Woops I think I was thinking of mailbox.org who does support domains.

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[-] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 5 points 1 day ago

is tuta the new pick for custom domain email?

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[-] derbolle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

i wanted to move my google stuff to Proton this year as a Backup for my self hosted stuff. Shame, seems like I need to put a little more time into managing my self hosted stuff

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[-] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

So long, and thanks for all the fish

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