The horse dewormer thing iirc comes from the fact that ivermectin is a prescription drug, and doctors obviously wouldn't prescribe it for covid. So people resorted to one of the very few ways you could still purchase it: as the horse dewormer variant.

Of course this version is much stronger and intended for horses, not humans. IIRC this led to a few hospitalisations and even deaths.

That's why when people advocate you should take ivermectin, the counter claim is that they're telling you to take horse dewormer, since that's the only way to get it. It's not out of a general 'disrespect' for ivermectin.

It actually is something of a wonder drug

And it worked wonders on COVID patients who actually had parasites in the "throw everything at the wall" period. Word got out some patients had improved because of it. It became a whole thing because doctors didn't got the same results with ivermectin in others trials, probably because their patients didn't have parasites, and ruled it out as the COVID cure. Arm chair viral experts refused to believe it and made it a conspiracy, and from there on became a cornerstone of anti vax and right wing politics. Of course right wing commentators now make it the cure for cancer.

Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it's rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.

People are literally buying it from Tractor Supply when doctors won't prescribe it. That's why people say horse dewormer. It is literally horse dewormer they are taking.

The fun fact about Methylene Blue that always is a hit with students is it also turns your pee a green/blue-green color.

Wait. Can we solve this by sending Joe and Mel a crystal growing guide?

As if he only has one house

Don't get too excited, there's insurance for houses

Probably something to do with all that ivermectin.

Drugs

I am always disheartened when I see his podcast is always at the top of the charts, even left leaning reasonable friends i know listen to it

In the beginning of Covid, a doctor in very rural India started treating Covid patients with ivermectin and they got better. So the doctor wrote a paper about it, and this paper was touted as proof that ivermectin was the cure for Covid, and nowadays everything.

Because schools don't stress science literacy, what people didn't notice in the paper was that WHY ivermectin helped these patients with their Covid infections is because they ALSO had multiple parasites because they were living in a very rural area and rarely sought medical help, and therefore their immune system was already overburdened dealing with the parasites. By treating the parasites with ivermectin, their immune systems were able to focus on Covid and actually fight through it. This was all explained in the paper, people just didn't read past the title, clearly.

Ivermectin is prescribed for humans - specifically in the cases of parasites. We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.

Calling it a horse dewormer came about because folks were buying the ones labeled as deworming agents at tractor supplies and similar locations. Sure it has other uses but its an easy jab at the folks drinking it like water for covid.

To be fair, Mel Gibson has been a racist, homophobic piece of shit for decades now. The fact that he's waded into right wing conspiracy and grift, should be a surprise to no one.

Everytime I hear it introduced as "horse dewormer". The bias is already made clear.

While Mel Gibson is clearly off his rocker in that Ivermectin can't do jack shit against cancer... So is OP for acting like it's not safe for human consumption. It's safe for consumption even at 10x a "normal" dosage (with all the Covid-19 studies showing that while more or less ineffective for COVID, not at all harmful otherwise at up to 3000μg/kg.... or 15x a typical dosage http://ssrn.com/abstract=3714649).

IVM has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987

It's 100% safe... and boatloads of it have been given to humans for longer than most people arguing about this shit have been alive.

Source: https://www.eurekaselect.com/article/41838

TL;DR... While probably useless for anything that people recently attribute to it... It's safe for consumption as a general rule.

Huh. Apparently it's been found seemingly helpful with pain management, trauma reduction, disinfection, cleaning, and tumor detection when used as a dye. I wasn't thorough so I didn't find anything about spinal reconstruction specifically but its use is probably related in one of these ways in some procedures. So TIL.

Still not a cancer-killer. Sorry, Mel!

Harmless or not, making other people unknowingly ingest substances is NOT OKAY