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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

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[-] clot27@lemm.ee 2 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Valid concern imo, Dev's are just dickheads

[-] rarbg@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago

It’s just a random person that registered a domain. Be the change you want to see and make your own?

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah watch out for that sotware

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

It has mbin and piefed on the list, so it’s not harming the network at all. If anything it’s more healthy with more platforms rather than just ml and world. It’s one site directing people to the fedi, I’m not butthurt about it

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 77 points 12 hours ago

Lemmy was removed due to:

  • reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)
  • the behavior of its creator
  • how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.

All valid concerns.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 4 points 16 minutes ago

No, they're not.

how the developers handle certain types of content

Doesn't matter if you stay away from .ml.

the behavior of its creator

Kind of valid, but open source and open license negates a lot of that.

how the sotware itself handles users’ privacy.

You think anything else on the Fediverse is better? When you post something publicly, it's public. Doesn't really matter what the software does. If you don't have End to End encryption, it's not private.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago)

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[-] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

These concerns, and more, are why just today, during a conversation with some friends looking to get off traditional social media, I advised them to join pixelfed, peer tube, mastodon, and loops, but suggested they strictly avoid Lemmy.

The communities aren’t right for anyone who isn’t seeking something exactly like Lemmy or leftie-Reddit-lite. I don’t even really like it here all that much anymore. Not the content; the interactions… across all my accounts.. even joining “nicer” spaces is not a particularly nice or pleasant experience, plus the more interested is a woman, and Lemmy is a horrible sausagefest echo chamber not at all suited to a normal average woman person who isn’t techie. I’m techie, so I’m used to the vibe, but for your average cis-woman, Lemmy is a very very bad fit.

Bring on the downvotes if you like (the echo-chamber anti-voice sentiment is part of why people shouldn’t be recommended this platform, after all) but these are legit concerns for people who may want to join, and those of us already here can and do steer people elsewhere as a result.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 7 minutes ago

Lemmy is a horrible sausagefest echo chamber not at all suited to a normal average woman person who isn’t techie.

Far be it from me to point out this is exactly how reddit started.

The foundational promise of lemmy and the fediverse writ large is freedom from proprietary software and closed-protocols; the kind of people who are going to be interested in seeking out those types of alternatives are going to gravitate toward techy men.

It takes time for new social media sites to fan outward from their initial adopters, that's just how it goes.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 3 hours ago

This is why I'm looking forward to Sublinks launching.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago

The linked post given on the second point is a bit flimsy. It's basically saying that if you use evidence published by a person with shitty views, you must have them too. To me, that's absurd as claiming that referencing FBI statistics makes someone a federal agent.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 49 points 11 hours ago

Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.

It would be so much better if lemmy wasn't developed by genocide white-washing tankies.

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[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 26 points 11 hours ago

To me the first one is an instance problem (ml, hexbear?), and not a lemmy problem. It has looked like they've been trying to separate the two as much as possible.

[-] haverholm@kbin.earth 23 points 10 hours ago

But the Lemmy project and specific instances are not so easily separated. From the archived mastodon thread:

lemmy.ml (the official Lemmy instance) resolves to the same IP address as lemmygrad.ml (the instance that contains the most disturbing material).

Lemmy.ml also federates with lemmygrad, and the devs advertise lemmygrad on their "join lemmy" site.

Do the Lemmy developers themselves run the lemmygrad.ml site? (Its main logo is a tank, incidentally.)

So yeah, newcomers are presented with a join-lemmy site that promotes Lemmygrad and Lemmy ML, both of which appear to be run by the Lemmy devs.

That pretty much makes it a Lemmy problem.

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[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 61 points 11 hours ago

That feels like complaints about lemmy.ml specifically more than Lemmy as a software. There's a few instances that defederate lemmy.ml out there.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

How much effort do you think Meta, Twitter, and Reddit put into getting open social media people to fight against themselves?

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

They can do whatever shit they want with their instance and believe whatever they want. The software they make provably doesn't have any more biases than any other software. As long as that's the case, I'm fine.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, but it’s guilt by association. Think about how X is now. Its owner is an asshole, and that hurts the platform regardless of how many cool people use it.

[-] Hoimo@ani.social 6 points 46 minutes ago

X is under total control of that person. As long as the lemmy source adheres to fediverse principles, this developer can believe whatever they want and run their instance however they want, and no one else has to care. If his beliefs starts affecting the lemmy source, it's always an option to fork.

If you exclude a branch of the fediverse because of one bad instance, you're missing the point of the fediverse.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

And you’re missing the point of my point.

If people who don’t already know how lemmy is run, are curious and read that shit and think the owner/operator of lemmy is a huge douchebag tankie that deletes/bans everything he doesn’t like… it bodes poorly for new people coming to lemmy.

So therefore- the rest of us are guilty as a result of association with the aforementioned douchebag.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Makes sense to me.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 35 points 11 hours ago

It's almost certainly because of the tankie factory that is .ml and the fact that it's admins are all hard core tankies (including the main dev! And ofc the whole infamous Nutomic transphobe incident)

Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.

That's why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.

.ml doesn't want growth, they want a tankie echo chamber, if anybody wants to actually see Lemmy grow at a healthy pace it starts with shuning the hostile tankies and their instances.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Make your own instance and defederate .ml or any of the other instances you hate. Go nuts! Show us how it's done.

[-] occultist8128@infosec.pub 9 points 9 hours ago

sorry, but what does tankie mean?

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago

Generally, those who praise authoritarian regimes who mask, or attempt to, themselves in the cloak of communism/socialism e.g. China or Russia and are SUPER anti-West (Parroting views of the China Russian regime)

Which comes with a whole host of shit takes, like Russia being justified in their invasion or even denying Tiennamen Square and definitely denying the China Uyghur genocide

Basically, they've gone so far left they've circled back into Right-wing authoritarianism

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[-] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 12 points 10 hours ago

I wrote this before

I spotted Dessalines posted literal propaganda on some community I joined

gotta be honest that does not sit well with me

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Yep. And note how the other mods/admins are almost always found commenting alongside them.

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