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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 41 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For anyone who is interested in a detailed view of these stats worldwide in real time and cross-border with carbon intensities and individual breakdowns by electricity source: https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/72h

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

WTF is Australia doing? Aren't they aware they have plenty of sunshine and an insanely long shoreline?

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 32 points 6 months ago

Australia is just an oil company, a coal company, and a mining company disguised as a trench coat. The Liberal party (essentially just American Republicans opposed to guns) spent 2 decades killing any green energy initiatives in favor of fracking the Outback

[-] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 6 months ago

IIRC Australia mines a huge amount of coal

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Shame, innit? They could be the n1 Solar panel producers per capita and panel exporters...oh well. This is why the charge against fossil fuels has to be led by net consumers (in the name of defense against geopolitical risk) and the producers will inevitably reduce extraction for export...but local consumption of coal probably will never disappear completely unless locals complain about air pollution and lag in exportable tech.

[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Australia likes its coal like america its guns.

[-] makingrain@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

The sun doesn't shine at night. Have a look when it is daytime there and you'll see upwards of 60% of their electricity is solar.

Or use the EM site and check for past statistics.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The sun doesn’t shine at night.

Wind blows at night at the shoreline.

Have a look when it is daytime there and you’ll see upwards of 60% of their electricity is solar.

Well, over 12 months it's not that rosy, except for Tasmania:

[-] makingrain@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

I thought you'd at least have a chuckle when you realised that it was night time when you made your dumb comment.

Over the last 12 months it is 25% solar and 13% wind. The population centres on the east coast are worse than WA, SA and TAS in that regard.

Yes, 45% of coal generated electricity is awful, but you were still incorrect in saying Australia is doing nothing.

A collosal solar farm and transmission cable to Singapore is under construction which is will be a great achievement when complete.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

you were still incorrect in saying Australia is doing nothing.

Except I did not say that. I asked what's going on and that things aren't that rosy. You must me have confused with someone else.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 15 points 6 months ago

Really cool. Thanks for the share. Also quite depressing, most countries (even rich ones who have like triple responsibility) are barely even trying.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

Meanwhile, the USA is 24%-ish renewables and 60%-ish fossil fuels. Damn fossil fuel industry and anti-progress politicians.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

*state dependent. ;)

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

One of the nicer upshots of cutting the cord with Russia is the sky high price of electricity incentivizing big investments in renewable energy.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I love that chart you can't read.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

Electricity imports also rose to 24.9 TWh, driven by lower generation costs in neighboring countries during summer.

For the love of God, please just build nuclear instead of virtue signaling with solar panels while you import your energy needs.

[-] thisNotMyName@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

All our nuclear plants are shut down and weren't maintained for further usage, than that few years ago when they were shut down, for decades. They are basically trash. Now just take a look at UK or France how cheap and easy it is to build new ones (when you can't sacrifice workers and environment like China). And then take a look at France's nuclear power production in recent heat summers. And finally take a look where that sweet little uranium is coming from when imported (Germany has none). And now give me a single good reason why investing in nuclear is better than investing in dirt cheap, decentralizeable renewables to cover future electricity needs.

[-] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 25 points 6 months ago

Btw French Nuclear Power Company went bankrupt last years. Because of this cheap Nuclear. It’s owned by the Government now. In South Corea the Nuclear company is due 150 Billion dollars. Bankrupt very soon. Sellafield the British nuclear dump expects costs of 136 Billion pounds until 2050. Already owned by the Government.

It’s so fucking cheap this nuclear.

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 24 points 6 months ago

The "just use nuclear" crowd is so dumb. They make it so obvious they have no idea what they are talking about. Which I would not mind on its own, but they always think they are the smartest people in the room and that's infuriating.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago

There's no sense in spending limited public funding on nuclear now - renewables and storage is winning on all fronts.

Shutting down what nuclear existed was a costly mistake, but going down that path again is an even worse one

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

next up: zero teslas.

if germans chose a route, they, walk. (ww2, manufacturing cars, end of nuclear power..)

so fuck you elon. we hate you so much.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

UK for comparison (Average over year)

GW %
Coal 0.18 0.6
Gas 8.31 27.7
Solar 1.52 5.1
Wind 9.36 31.1
Hydroelectric 0.41 1.4
Nuclear 4.36 14.5
Biomass 2.15 7.1

Edit: Imports are the remainder

[-] bazsy@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

The sum of those percentages is 87.5%. So what's the rest, maybe import from France or Norway?

[-] addie@feddit.uk 4 points 6 months ago

Well, we've a single cable coming over from France that makes up about 3% (I think) of our total electricity supply. So "French Nuclear" should be a bigger entry in that table than coal, solar, hydro or bio. That's not the only import, either, so it's not completely impractical for the missing percentages to be imports.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_Cross-Channel

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

That's an incredible amount of wind power.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 6 months ago

Biomass may well be renewable, but I still don't think it counts as green.

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[-] tomsh@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I love it, I like it like my new contract they send me with new prices for electricity (44% up)

[-] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Sounds off, because renewbles are typically cheaper than the alternatives.
Any chance you got a 'fossil only' contract?

[-] tomsh@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

It sounds strange, but that's how it is, and it's Ökostrom. Luckily, I can change my provider when they raise the price, so it won't increase that much for me, but it will still go up, and I'm not the only one in my area because some friends of mine received the same 'greeting.' (To those who give dislikes, that won't change the facts no matter how much you would like it to.)

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[-] Sniatch@feddit.org 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You should change your provider. I do it every year because thats how you can save lots of money.

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[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

Are you sure its the actual cost of the electricity or the fact that many other costs are often bundled into your bill?

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[-] tux0r@feddit.org 7 points 6 months ago

Germany has the EU's highest energy prices. Just saying.

[-] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Norway has one of the lowest. And they don't have only 62.7%.
99% of their energy comes from renewables.

And in the USA, some of the states with lowest prices have the highest % of renewables.

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[-] ori@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

"This single thing is more expensive in this country" is a stupid way to compare prices from countries.

[-] perfectly_boiled_pizza@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Norway has some of the lowest in Europe. Less than a third of Germany's prices. Norway is producing more (hydro) energy than it's able to use.

That's why it's exporting some of it to other countries today. Before Norway did this their prices were even lower.

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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sure just saying, not trolling at all.

Solar drives energy prices down, not up. In the summer the energy price regularly goes negative because there is so much solar available.

And it isn't even remotely true, other countries have higher energy prices than Germany within the EU. The Netherlands for example has crazy high energy prices. And that's in absolute numbers, not even corrected for things like GDP.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago
[-] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

IIRC it’s because there is a pseudo monopoly for the power lines which can increase prices for using them and the price for electricity orients itself on the most expensive form of electricity (coal I think), so the price benefits of renewables only benefit the seller and not the buyer

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[-] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago

Because the price we pay is determined by the most expensive source, that's to ensure low costing energy like wind and solar make the biggest profit and get expanded further and faster.

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[-] gitamar@feddit.org 6 points 6 months ago
[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Remember Berlin has a latitude of 52.5°. That puts it far north of the 49th parallel border.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

My friend is dumb and doesn’t know the significance of the 49th parallel. Can you explain it to them?

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[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago

True, but climate in Central Europe is different to the US-Canada border.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I'm thinking solar is hard.

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[-] JelleWho@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Wasn't Germany that weird one where 'gas' was labeled as 'renewable'? Or was that something diffrent?

[-] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No, that was France labeling Nuclear as Renewable. Because, because it doesn’t emit CO2, I guess. Don’t know what „Re-New“ translates into French and I‘d be surprised if it is „Split Atoms“.

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[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Wasn’t Germany that weird one where ‘gas’ was labeled as ‘renewable’?

Biogas from decomposition is renewable. That definition is accepted internationally.

Doesn't mean it's ecological. There's a difference.

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