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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 263 points 1 year ago

The bio of the victim from her store's website:

Lauri Carleton's career in fashion began early in her teens, working in the family business at Fred Segal Feet in Los Angeles while attending Art Center School of Design. From there she ran “the” top fashion shoe floor in the US at Joseph Magnin Century City. Eventually she joined Kenneth Cole almost from its inception and remained there for over fifteen years as an executive, building highly successful businesses, working with factories and design teams in Italy and Spain, and traveling 200 plus days a year.

With a penchant for longevity, she has been married to the same man for 28 years and is the mother of a blended family of nine children, the youngest being identical twin girls. She and her husband have traveled the greater part of the US, Europe and South America. From these travels they have nourished a passion for architecture, design, fine art, food, fashion, and have consequently learned to drink in and appreciate the beauty, style and brilliance of life. Their home of thirty years in Studio City is a reflection of this passion, as well as their getaway- a restored 1920's Fisherman's Cabin in Lake Arrowhead. Coveting the simpler lifestyle with family, friends and animals at the lake is enhanced greatly by their 1946 all mahogany Chris-Craft; the ultimate in cultivating a well appreciated and honed lifestyle.

Mag.Pi for Lauri is all about tackling everyday life with grace and ease and continuing to dream…

What a waste. A tragedy for that whole family for literally nothing. No reason at all other than small minded assholes.

[-] Granite@kbin.social 128 points 1 year ago
[-] MrMamiya@feddit.de 144 points 1 year ago

If you just call it terrorism more people will understand you. I understand you’re trying to draw a distinction and I’m here to tell you as someone who grew up in a rural town of 1200 people…just call it terrorism. These people aren’t backtracking on language because they thought of an exception. It’s part of why they hate us.

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[-] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

Kill-billies.

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[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 120 points 1 year ago

I blame the gop for radicalizing the shooter.

[-] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 103 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find it important to make clear it was a hate crime, but Lauri Carleton was NOT killed "over a rainbow flag outside her clothing store".

No one gets killed because of a rainbow flag. You get killed because an asshole who wants to rather die than adapt to the world changing wants to spread fear with his last action and needs desperately to find a "reason". Let's not pretend he had a reason any other than being a coward.

My heart goes out to her family, friends and the community impacted.

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[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The reality is that terrorists like this guy are armed and carrying all the time, but the second amendment is for all Americans including liberals, lefties, moderates and everyone in between.

Im not advocating for violence, in fact having a concealed carry permit nearly always means the exact opposite. Someone being aggressive? You walk away and let them win. Someone tailgating you? Let them pass.

Carrying is about situations like this, between a shop owner with a rainbow flag and someone out looking for an excuse to murder someone over rage bait.

[-] fosho@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago

the problem I have with this is that you're basically saying more people should have guns. a significant part of the issue is that there already are too many guns around and accessible and that is statistically going to result in more alterations resulting in shooting. you can talk about how much respect guns should be given all you want. but if more people have guns then there will be more gun violence.

[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're not wrong and I mainly don't disagree with you.

But look at it from another perspective.

Those millions of guns in households are largely in the hands of conservatives since gun ownership skews heavily towards white people, males, and those living in rural areas which we already know also skews conservative, within which is a subset that fantasize about having a reason to murder their neighbors over dumb shit like colorful flags or opinions.

Liberals are much more diverse of a population than conservatives which means that when it comes to liberals, women or poc the odds of them having a fighting chance are not great in a life or death situation they didnt create, vs who is most likely to be the aggressors, conservative white men.

My take on it is that the cat is already out of the bag. In a perfect world I would prefer not having easy to operate life-ending tools spread freely throughout the country, but that's not the reality we live in. The best shot we have is to even the playing field so to speak even with the downsides it presents. The current status quo is letting terrorists gun us down with impunity and that doesn't sit well with me.

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[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 year ago

Carrying doesn't do crap for self defense. The moment a crazy asshole pulls their gun at you and shoots you won't even be able to comprehend the situation quick enough and get your own piece out of the holster.

The crazy asshole always wins as they shoot first (they are usually cowards on top, so you might just get shot in the back).

More guns just leads to more crazy assholes with guns, I feel much safer in European countries.

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[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's odd, I don't think I've ever heard of a lefty or a gay person outright killing someone over a Dixie or Trump flag. I keep reading about far-righties killing people over the scary rainbow flag though

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago

Just another example of far-right extremist violence.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's just regular conservative violence at this point.

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[-] duviobaz@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago

They want you dead. It's time to return this sentiment.

[-] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If we acted the same way it would reinforce their agenda. My comment blew up.

Update/Edit: if you think killing people is the answer to solving the world's problems then you are a fucking premtitive shitty human being and are a part of the problem.

[-] acutfjg@feddit.nl 46 points 1 year ago

No action will also reinforce their agenda

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Yeah hence why when the Nazis invaded Europe we never invaded them back, because that would have just reinforced the Nazi agenda.

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[-] Hobbes@startrek.website 56 points 1 year ago

Ever notice how there's no such thing as a liberal hate crime?

"We are all domestic terrorists".

How much more do we have to put up with before we do something about this? Sadly I'm guessing it's a lot more.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 55 points 1 year ago

If I am ever killed over my rainbow stuff, I'm haunting the son of a bitch who killed me as a rainbow.

[-] Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

I'd tend to trust someone haunted by a rainbow personally, I don't think it's the best plan

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[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Everyone talking about the victim, etc what happened to the murderer? Is they in prisión now?

[-] Lhianna@feddit.de 57 points 1 year ago

According to the article they were shot and killed by law enforcement

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[-] IGuessThisIsForNSFW@yiffit.net 53 points 1 year ago

"The suspect was found and shot dead by responding officers"

I don't think they made it to jail.

[-] WiildFiire@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Extremely extremely uncommon police W

Unless the shooter was African American and they had no idea about the shop shooting which I wouldn't doubt

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't call it a win. That murderer deserved to be tried and convicted for their crime and serve decades behind bars. They gave him the easy way out.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 19 points 1 year ago

From another article (The Sun is owned by Murdoch iirc), they suggested that the murderer did not want to get arrested and was aggressive. It's sad that people get so hateful that they would rather die hating people than just going about life.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Is this the start of them hunting down libs? Party of law and order people.

[-] rivermonster@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

They have been for a long while now. The left chooses to be blind to it. We need strong response like the socialist rifle association, and those like it. War is here and cannot be avoided through denial or compartmentalized away.

[-] Alobarap@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago
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