I had a shower thought the other day that if more CEOs were shot dead, there'd probably be less Return to Office.
People are sometimes like "oh but violence is bad!" but ignore all the casual harms inflicted on people by capitalism and friends.
They also ignore all the freedom of the lower classes which was won through violence against the upper class.
When the people in charge refuse to listen, the only tool left is violence.
They also ignore literally all of human history when they say shit like that. Hell even the civil rights movement only worked because of Malcolm X's threat of violence.
They weren't just threats, there where riots all over the country.
Nah CEOs will mandate RTO for workers while they themselves stay remote.
They can be killed in their homes, too.
So no change?
The (attitude) Adjuster goes blam.
I’m in management now but I say go get ‘em please.
most management I would assume would be with the workers. If your not c suite your nothing.
Tech is a bit different because a significant portion of your compensation comes as stock when you get higher up the ladder but yeah.
Yeah I would say that is high enough but its pretty up there for stock to be all that significant.
Fingers and toes crossed, get'em for every last penny!
luck is not gonna help. Only action and organizing can save us. Join a union too.
Oh, I would if I lived in a place which had such movements, believe me... As it is, all I can do is wish for Lady Luck to smile upon those who have the chance! Sure, it's a bad idea to bank everything on luck, but it can never hurt to have some on your side!
where do you live? The tech workers movement is reaching pretty much everywhere there's tech production.
Romania. There haven't been any significant developments in this sense around here, at least not as far as I know. Each company around here has a Wagers' Rep of sorts and they gather with other such Reps and discuss wage related stuff, but it's nowhere near as elaborate as a Union, nor has it ever felt significant in any relevant way.
Most people have kinda'... given up on this country. Everyone scrambles to eject themselves abroad as soon as humanly possible. Can't say I blame'em.
Are you aware that Romanian IT sector has the highest rate of unionization of any IT sector in the world? SITT is a case study studied all over the world. https://transform-network.net/blog/interview/the-romanian-it-workers-labour-union-showed-that-everyone-can/
It might not be the sexiest, most modern radical union, but it is a case of success with numbers to show. Maybe you can start from there.
Huh, I honestly had no idea, thank you! I'll certainly start looking into it! Perfect timing, too, quit my job so I could focus on trying to get into stuff like this!
I sure hope the fact that it isn't common knowledge (at least not among most of the people with whom I've worked during the past decade) is down to them being effective and not it being a hopeless cause, though... Speaking from personal experience (and I leave room for doubt because I have notoriously bad luck in general), it sure didn't feel all that grand working in this industry. Not about the work in itself, but the practices...
Pretty much anywhere outside the USA, the communication of tech workers unionizing is pretty much absent and expecially news about it. This is a big deal, but it doesn't say much about the actual penetration of unions in a given sector. It's a complex topic, but I explain it with the fact that the topic is pretty much uninteresting, unless it's a well-known brand is unionizing. Since most famous tech companies are American, there's enough mass of news there to actually push media outlets to cover news.
In Italy, where there are very few "well-known" IT companies, the topic is completely absent, to the point where IT union organizers from a city don't know about big wins by other IT unions organizers from another city. Nonetheless the narrative is not the thing, and there can be big impacts that become visible to the general public only after sociological studies.
So, long-story short, the fact you never heard about SITT doesn't say much about its effectiveness, just about their ability to communicate.
Yeah, then they lose all their best and brightest who are disappearing off to work on their own things.
All these idiot C-suite trash will wind up holding is a bag of yesterday's technology, a mass of obsolete infrastructure and a bunch of brands they've helped destroy.
It is by design. Pool a bunch of money, buy companies to bleed them dry. Wait for new companies to take their place, rinse and repeat.
Eh... You can run a company without the best or brightest nowadays. Mediocrity gets the job done, mostly.
Lmao what?
Thousands of companies are out there doing just fine. Maybe 10% if people can be the best and brightest. It's impossible for every company to have them.
The math just doesn't math.
Average performers are just fine.
H1Bs are fine with coming into the office and won’t put up a fight with any corporate policy….
Yup every time I see H1B I replace it in my head with tech slave. They're paid, but the deck is so stacked against them they effectively cannot refuse anything. ANYTHING. A well informed H1B worker might score a chance at permanent residency for some of the abuse they suffer. But mostly it's just years of abuse with very strict rules to get their residency.
Software Engineers should get royalties for their code like actors do. I'd be retired already.
most cursed take of the day. This is a terrible system that turns workers in self-entrepreneurs, where most struggle and a few get a lot of money.
They’re fat and lazy enough already. Last thing we need is an SE thinking they sit on IP and the rest of us can fuck off. You write code that others defined and you work WITHIN a system. You are the equivalent of a translator who speaks Spanish. You don’t work magic. Everyone else works in systems we are all asked to consider the business logic beyond simple tasks so fuck off with your snowflakes. I work with so many engineering VPs that you just come off as “special”. You are white gloves special people who demand handling that no one else requests, and for why? Why do you deserve special IP concerns?
Seriously I am tired of engineers being gate keepers while the other two legs of the stool keep this shit together.
Seriously engineers get your shit together as we are all making a product together and you don’t own any more shit then a pm and that’s saying something.
Seriously I am tired of engineers being gate keepers while the other two legs of the stool keep this shit together.
Seriously engineers get your shit together as we are all making a product together
Half my job as a programmer is chasing down the non-devs asking them to explain how they imagined the thing they asked for working, and then trying to find the politest words to say their idea is really bad, all the while trying not to insult their intelligence. The other half is putting out fires that come up all the time because the people who "made the product together" made horrendous decisions about the product design without consulting the devs, or even getting their input. So now we're saddled with mounting technical debt because of a bunch of morons who were convinced they knew more than the people who teach computers to think.
Seriously, half the things I hear non-devs say make me actually wonder about the "average" level of intelligence of our species.
You don’t work magic.
If it wasn't, then you'd be able to do the job.
To you, it IS magic.
Look, I'm kind of an outsider on this conversation because until we get a DaVinci for mechanical work, I'm never going to be WFH, but there's something interesting I've noted with all my programmer friends.
The industrial world, that's where unions are, they're getting pulled out but that's the places unions live. The people working in stores are starting to push hard on unions. My industry, biomed, hasn't really gotten unions off the ground, but it's rumbling. We're a small industry that's so short on people it's just easier to move jobs than start a union, but we're a mix of tech and industrial backgrounds. But the programming tech backgrounds, at least here in the midwest, is apparently so anti-union I don't know how it'd get off the ground from what I'm hearing from my friends. Their coworkers who are mad about RTO will immediately turn around and say the corporate lines about unions. I'm honestly kinda baffled and hope your industry gets it figured out.
Unions will not increase the average wage. They will only even-out wages across the economy. Which means they will increase the lowest wage.
Unions will not solve the social problems in the US. UBI (Universal Basic Income) will solve them.
You need to advocate for UBI. There is no good reason not to have it.
UBI doesn't cost the economy anything. That's no "donating money to poor people". Poor people will immediately spend it on food and housing/apartmenting, which means the money stays (better yet, flows) within the local economy.
The reason the US doesn't have UBI yet isn't because it isn't affordable. It is. The reason UBI wasn't introduced so far yet is because they wanted to scare the people into working harder. It's for psychological reasons, not for real (financial/technical) reasons.
If there is 1 homeless person sitting by the street, people will say "they're lazy and deserve this because they didn't work hard. So i need to work harder". If there's 100 homeless people sitting by the street, people start to realize it's not their fault and the system is at fault; and will demand drastic dramatic changes. UBI is an effective way to prevent that. UBI isn't a choice - it's a necessity for a stable society.
UBI without worker's power and strong unions will just become a leash in the hands of the state to enforce social compliance. Unions and UBIs are not mutually exclusive. Also without strong unions, who do you think will advocate for UBIs? Neo-nazi, billionaires, and other people that want to give the bare minimum to defend the status quo from its collapse. The first to talk about UBI in the USA was Nixon, and it's not by chance. The élites see the UBI as yet another tool to maintain the status quo and their privilege, giving scraps to the rest and subduing the state to make their own interest. UBI is a technical tool and therefore, by itself, it doesn't solve social problems or shifts power. The shift of power should happen contextually to the introduction of the UBI, otherwise, it will just turn into yet another way to oppress the working class.
They're just trying to scare the Americans out of the office so they can replace them with cheaper H1Bs who won't talk back.
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