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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by shapis@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Since Lemmy is federated, and the admins of each instance choose what’s allowed and what’s not in their own instance.

How do you feel about what’s allowed and what’s not in your current instance ?

I’ll start: I’ve read people complaining about my instance admins, but I haven’t experienced nor seen anything I specifically disagree with.

And I’ve read things they wrote that I absolutely agree with, like not federating with Meta under any circumstances.

So for now, I’m happy with it. If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 111 points 11 months ago

I run my own instance, so supremely displeased as expected.

[-] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 23 points 11 months ago

Won't somebody save me from myself!

[-] okr765@lemmy.okr765.com 18 points 11 months ago

My instance admin is also extremely oppressive.

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[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 11 months ago

it made me get off of lemmy.world

[-] shapis@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

What was the issue there ?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 43 points 11 months ago

Lemmy.world is incredibly hostile towards Marxists, or anyone too critical of the Democrats or the US' involvement in the genocide of Palestinians. I imagine @ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com has similar complaints based off their username.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 months ago

My name is a pun off of miao being meow in chinese but sounds similar to Mao. But yes, that is where their censorship is and I disagree with it, but I also disagree with lemmygrad/hexbear censorship.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I elaborated on my views in my top level comment here, but you can't avoid "censorship." You can only pick which bias you want to see more of. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are more open with their biases, and can be trusted to uphold that bias very reliably. Lemmy.world is more subtle, it focuses on selective defederation and selective removals and bans in order to carefully prune a demographic.

Dbzer0 is interesting, it's mostly tech nerds and those enthusiastic about Anarchism, while remaining federated with Lemmy.world, Hexbear, and Lemmy.ml while defederating from Lemmygrad. As such, it generally leans techy Anarchist with a large influx of Liberals from Lemmy.world and some Marxists from Hexbear on occasion. It isn't as heavy handed with removals as Lemmy.world is in my experience, but it definitely is selective with what the mods and admins consider "acceptable Marxism."

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the knowledgeable break down :)

I didn’t know much of that especially dbzer0 federating hexbear but not lemmygrad. Wonder why?

You’re smart about knowing the clear biases versus the more subtle one’s. Well said!

I never had any particular problem at lemmy.world but I really didn’t like their Luigi decision. The admin of dbzer0 seems nice. I directly asked about not liking ai, which is their focus, and they were very chill in their response

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

dbzer0 as an instance considers Lemmygrad to be "fake" Marxist-Leninists (which I believe to be sourced from the western-anarchist demographic of dbzer0 in general, rather than actual familiarity with Marxism-Leninism), the geopolitical stance of dbzer0 as an instance is contrary to Lemmygrad and thus the admins deemed this to be an absolute difference. That said, dbzer0 themself is more symapathetic towards Hexbear as Hexbear has a very large number of Anarchists as well as Marxists, and dbzer0 is an Anarchist.

As for Lemmy.world, I have had my own issues with it and been thoroughly soured by them, you can check my modlog if you want to see it, I don't really want to turn this into a drama post.

In case you check my modlog, here is the context for the Playstation@Lemmy.zip ban. The moderator banned me for calling out their regurgitation of white supremacist "anti-DEI" nonsense about non-white people being included in God of War. They since deleted their account and locked the sub, now its just bot posts for the most part.

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[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They want to keep their noses clean so they can continue being the main character of Lemmy.

All hail the non-offesive median opinion and saying Lu1g1 to bypass filters.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago

Yep, and they can't even handle their own current position, hence them attempting to make Sublinks a thing and make their own, worse Lemmy.

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[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 11 months ago

Admin's didn't like Luigi discussions to the point of not allowing discussion of Jury nullification. It wasn't not supporting violence but not supporting most discussion of this topic. To me, that shows protection of a certain neoliberal class. Like the opposite of lemmygrad.

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

.ml here, I'm happy with this community. I know the reputation it has, but honestly, I haven't really seen it. I'm a hardcore leftist, but I've been very critical of China, Russia, etc. And I'm not a tankie. Obviously haven't been banned or had my comments removed.

The mods here seem quite reasonable, and of course if folks don't agree, there are a lot of other instances.

I used to be a free-speech absolutist when I was young, but then I realized that there isn't such a thing. Even the few places online that pride themselves on having "no censorship" like 4-chan still have a handful of things that they don't allow.

Quite frankly, I think those places are pretty nasty overall and I have no desire to emulate them. Racists, Pedos, lgbt-phobes don't need a platform or to have their opinions elevated or taken seriously.

I wouldn't think a top university's physics department is improved by devoting classes and curriculum to flat earth or 7-day creationism. Likewise, I don't think a forum or server is made better by allowing racists and bigots to have a safe space on it.

Of course, you have to decide what crosses the line, but welcome to real life. There's a difference between a hardcore neo-nazi who thinks Jews and black folks are literal sub-humans, and your 87 year-old grandpa who unironically calls the employees at his favorite asian buffet, "Chinamen."

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not bad. The thing with "censorship" is that there are no real "free-speech" instances, all instances have opinions they deem intolerable and thus prune (whether selectively or overtly), and many selectively federate and defederate in a manner that makes one camp of thought more dominant, ie liberalism on Lemmy.world via defederation from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, etc.

Lemmy.ml is quicker to remove comments that break the rules than other instances, but is also more broadly federated and thus gets more points of view than, say, Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world on the other hand is more selective with what it removes, but intentionally defederates from instances with heavy concentrations of Marxists, a more subtle form of "censorship" that ultimately shapes the dominant narratives on its instance.

What this ultimately means is that the answer is to openly admit bias, which exists in everyone, and accept that as a natural consequence of the fediverse model. I wouldn't go to Lemmy.world if I wanted to know the opinion of Marxists just like I wouldn't go to Lemmygrad if I wanted to know the opinion of liberals on a subject, this recognition of bias is an intrinsic aspect of the federated model and needs to be openly recognized, otherwise sabre rattling about "censorship" between instances becomes a never-ending source of unconstructive drama.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago

I find, it's useful to piss off the nazis. For example, lemmy.ml has a word filter, which has hardly an impact on anything. But the free-speech absolutists who want to be allowed to say that we should murder ethnic groups of people, because they think that's an opinion, they see that as censorship, so they don't care to join here.

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 months ago

I'm no Nazi, I just think it's infantilizing to filter out certain words so I left .ml. We're all adults here. Enjoy what you like though, I'm happy with /0.

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[-] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago

"Censorship" has become a buzzword and lost all of its meaning

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago

I'm happy with Lemmy.ml. I feel like moderation is taken seriously here and that is a very good thing. I don't care for "free speech" that provides a platform for immoral points of view. For example, I do not need to consider the opinions of racists or Nazis. I've heard them plenty and there is no redeeming value in their speech. It is a settled debate. Anyone who doesn't understand that deserves your suspicion.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also on .ml and agree. Nazi shit on an instance makes it unusable as far as I'm concerned.

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[-] hakase@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I love that lemm.ee is federated with everyone, because that means I frequently encounter ideas that I - gasp - disagree with!

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[-] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 11 months ago

Most important is that passwords are always censored for others: ********

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Really? Let me try.

Hunter2

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[-] Maiq@lemy.lol 17 points 11 months ago

Just in case anyone needs to investigate what instances are federated/defederated from each other.

https://defed.xyz/

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[-] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 16 points 11 months ago

we aren't federated with NSFW instances and thats honestly okay because I use this account in public.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I'm on world. Fuck the admins of world.

[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

I feel OK about it, for the most part. I can say "genocide is always wrong" and not get banned here.

[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Scientists working to end West Nile virus by eliminating mosquitos ability to reproduce.

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[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

I haven’t had a single issue with feeling censored at DB0. If anything, it is users from other instances acting like they own the whole Fediverse that I have occasionally had a problem with, but I don’t think any of them were moderators.

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[-] QualifiedKitten@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

You might consider crossposting this to similar communities on other instances. .ml has quite the reputation for censorship, so that's definitely going to shape the responses you get here.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago

Lemmy.world also has a reputation for censorship, what actually happens is different instances fall into different ideological camps and tend to defederate and remove/ban that which does not affirm the dominant ideology of the instance. Lemmy.ml gets a bad reputation from Lemmy.world and adjacent communities because Lemmy.ml is far more broadly federated and thus removes more rulebreaking content, generally.

Recognizing bias is a necessary part of the fediverse experience, everyone is biased in some direction and defederation provides a more subtle means by which to "censor." One could say Lemmy.world has banned all of Hexbear through defederation, which is more heavyhanded than Lemmy.ml ever has been. All this means is that Lemmy.world is more subtle with its own censorship and Lemmy.ml more overt.

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[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 11 points 11 months ago

I’m on lemmy.one which has disabled downvoting. If I had known in advance I would have picked another instance. Unfortunately, Lemmy doesn’t have a mechanism to transfer your account to another instance yet.

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[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

The automated censorship that keeps out CSAM and blatant trolling and scams? I love it.

The moderation that's done over the whole instance. That's understandable as it's a large attack surface for regulatory or state actor interference.

The community mods, that depends on the /c and honestly it's the same as it's ever been. It's wildly variable from person to person.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

I just had all of my comments deleted by the mod of a vegan group because I questioned one person. Seems lemmy is bringing over mods from reddit and their attitudes.

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