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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

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[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 149 points 1 year ago

Then. Just. Fucking. LEAVE!

[-] matchphoenix@feddit.uk 45 points 1 year ago

If only the little man at the big table didn’t have such a Napoleon complex

[-] uralsolo@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Khodakovsky is already in his home country, which he has been defending from Azov since 2014.

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[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Maybe the Ukrainians should negotiate and recognize the Donbas as no longer their territory somce the people living there have have democratically expressed that they want to leave. Then this can be over. Of course they could only negotiate if the US/NATO allows it, which is why this war keeps going on

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[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 90 points 1 year ago

RT was banned first day of the war due to links to the kremlin and propaganda. Wouldn't want people influenced by propaganda, of course! This is the west! We're free thinkers! Now let me see how the war is going in the non-biased Kyiv Post.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

Why do posters from Hexbear defend Russia so much? They're not communist. If anything, they're right wing.

Putin has a government allied with Russian business oligarchs and the support of the Russian Orthodox Church. He promotes the military as heroes. He cultivates a cult of personality. He personally controls billions of dollars. That's textbook Fascism.

[-] danisth@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

Criticizing this article isn’t the same as supporting Russia lol.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

I swear someone could claim like "Russia is controlled by an army of demons" and if someone from Hexbear was like "actually that is not true you should stick to the realm of fact in your criticisms of Russia" posters you'd still get like "WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING RUSSIA? DONT YOU KNOW RUSSIA ISNT COMMUNIST".

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[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

Nowhere do I voice support for Russia. It's that any nuance with regard to the Ukraine conflict is seen as 'defending russia', which you've just proven, again.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago

You don't have to support Russia to question the validity of news sources...

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

Everything you say about Russia is true, but that doesn't change the fact that this is a proxy war where US is trying to weaken Russia. You can just be against a senseless war that's killing hundreds of thousands of people and destroying lives of millions more. Anybody who is even minimally engaging with reality can see that this war will only end one way. What the west is doing is prolonging it without changing the outcome. People of Ukraine are being cynically thrown into a meat grinder so that US can score a win in a geopolitical chess game with Russia.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine linking kyivpost as if it's a credible source. Might as well link an article from Weekly World News next.

edit: I love how downvotes immediately come in when you point out the obvious, as long as the article says what people want to hear they all of a sudden stop caring about credible sources

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

is that the 'newspaper' that invented the ghost of kyiv?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago

Yeah, pretty sure that's the one.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

What part of this is incorrect?

"Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday."

The Kyiv Post is quoting Alexander Sergeevich Khodakovsky from his telegram channel, the Russian commander of the pro-Russian Vostok Battalion. He was involved in the uprising in Donetsk back in 2014 and continues to this day to be involved in the Ukrainian war.

https://t.me/s/aleksandr_skif?before=2851

In this case, they are quoting a primary source. So irrespective of your opinion of their journalistic integrity, this appears to be factual information.

Here's another source from Reuters that discusses the Ukrainian Marines retaking Urozhaine:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-recaptures-urozhaine-donetsk-region-russian-forces-2023-08-16/

This is a typical poisoning the well ad hominem.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago

In this case, they are quoting a primary source. So irrespective of your opinion of their journalistic integrity, this appears to be factual information.

Let's start with the fact that he's not some top Russian commander, and he's not even part of the actual Russian military. He's one of the commanders of the militias who've been fighting against the regime. the article is clearly misrepresenting his position and authority.

Here’s another source from Reuters that discusses the Ukrainian Marines retaking Urozhaine

Meanwhile, these little villages change sides pretty much every day of the conflict. You can see on the pro Ukrainian map how small this place is and that it's not even close to Russian defensive lines https://liveuamap.com/#

Perhaps you can explain why you think this is a significant event here. Seems like this is a much bigger deal https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/10/europe/kupyansk-ukraine-evacuation-russia-intl/index.html

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[-] Fuckass@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Sorry but I don’t take pinko ruskie claims seriously. It’s kremlin dezinformatsiya

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[-] bazookabill@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Imagine linking kyivpost as if it’s a credible source.

Oh come on, you don't give a fuck about that either,

Based on your post history, one might think that you have an extremely selective perception of which sources are credible, namely those that only underpin your own world view

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[-] Tester@lemm.ee 69 points 1 year ago

I think many people are forgetting that the larger army, vastly outnumbering Ukrainian resources in numbers, has not won a victory since the beginning of the invasion. And only presents a problem because the 2 countries cannot reliably use air power to overcome 1st WW trench warfare. Russia has defenses, but no ability to move forward. They are just trying to hold on to what they took in those first few months and are very slowly failing at that. If Ukraine can keep going, supported by the West, Russia will lose. I do not think Russia will use nukes -- any use of a nuke is basically on Russia's own land -- according to them -- and will affect them as much as Ukraine. But the question of ending the war is an interesting one. Do we see Russia continuing the war if they lose most of their ill-gotten territorial gains? What happens to those insecure areas? Are people going to rebuild, i.e. invest scarce resources in unstable areas? Or will they just become dead zones, DMZ borders?

[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Ukraine can keep going, supported by the West, Russia will lose.

You have a whole entire counteroffensive that shows the exact opposite.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago

I think many people are forgetting that the larger army, vastly outnumbering Ukrainian resources in numbers, has spent the past 9 months creating multilayered defences that the Ukrainian army has been banging their head against for the past 10 weeks. Ukraine no longer has a functioning military industry of its own or even an economy to speak of. It's entirely dependent on the west at this point.

NATO scrounged up all they had for this offensive, and US even ran out of shells to give having to resort to cluster munitions. NATO also trained Ukrainian soldiers. Now all of this is being lost without any actual progress being made. Ukraine hasn't even managed to reach the first defence line being mired in the security zone.

What we will see is that once the offensive burns itself out, Russia will start an offensive of their own against a depleted and demoralized Ukrainian army. The west will not be able to send more ammunition and equipment because it doesn't exist, and Ukraine will have lost majority of their trained and motivated soldiers who can't be replaced.

Even western sources are now admitting that Ukraine is suffering far higher losses than Russia, and that this is primarily an artillery battle where Russia vastly outnumbers Ukrainian artillery. 80% of casualties were being caused by Russian artillery.

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[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 60 points 1 year ago

The entire world (with a few exceptions) is fighting a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine. Of course you can't win, that's the whole idea.

[-] 432hz@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

More than just that, Russia has already lost because they revealed themselves to be a paper tiger AND that the rest of the world is sick of their bullshit.

They won't be invading any more countries for a long time. I'd wager more regions will declare independence from Russia, knowing they can.

Putin massively miscalculated.

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[-] 5ublimation@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

What do you mean, the Ghost of Kiev repelled the invasion

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

"Freezing the war along the current frontlines" is victory for Russia?? They already control all the territory they claim. I guess at this point Ukraine is starting to define winning as mere survival.

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“We can [though] enter a phase that is most unfavorable for Ukraine in its ‘independent’ state: a phase of neither peace nor war. We could be in this phase if, instead of the special military operation, the [currently occupied] territories were recognized and officially taken under guardianship. But it would require a completely different twist of history,” Khodakovsky said.

I find it consistently amazing and hilarious that Russian strategic leadership appears entirely incapable of recognizing that they can’t simply dictate geopolitics, warfare, and international borders to external parties. Ukraine - and to a lesser degree, its allies - get a vote too, and they’re not going to be “freezing” anything for the foreseeable future.

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[-] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

It's really over this time!

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

thats a very interesting point of view puplished by the Ukrainian Newspaper Kyivpost

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[-] AsRedAsMonkeysAss@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

He's gonna jump out d window soon

[-] st33lb0ne@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Russia allready lost. They just keep ignoring it

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[-] whataboutshutup@discuss.online 23 points 1 year ago

Keep in mind, that he is a mouth for some factions inside russia and his message is mostly for internal consumption. There are motives behind what he speaks. Probably testing the reaction of local population towards this idea. And yes, a person saying that (without someone's protection or even order) may be easily presecuted under new laws.

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