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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nah, wifi is pretty good today. I just dont like the consumer devices like the router shown here. Recently redid my wireless and went with a non wifi router, a poe switch and a few access points, connected through ethernet. I wouldnt dream of going back to the conventional one wifi router. Still use wired for stationary devices I can reach with a cable though.. TV, AV, consoles, PC are all wired.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

To be honest, I think a lot of Lemmy users are old and yearn for the older technologies simply because they have been more familiar with them than newer ones. They would have used the first gen of a technology, which may not be efficient, and dismiss it altogether, without realising that subsequent generations of that technology improves over time.

I have had that realisation of cognitive bias when I had Bluetooth headphones back in early 2010s. The wireless connection isn't great and gets cut off every now and then. I dismissed the technology as less efficient than wired earphones. It was over the years with the popularity of airpods that I gave wireless earphones another chance. And honestly, the Bluetooth connectivity vastly improved than I expected and I would not go back to using wired earphones again on regular basis because I don't have to deal with the wires getting tangled or yanked. I only use wired ones as backup if my wireless earphones went missing or broke.

Sorry to say this to OP, but it seems that you're being an old man yelling at the clouds. Look, I'm also old and I admit I have had that moment of yelling at the clouds too. We will have that more moments as we age.

[-] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I have a similar setup to @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world in regards to my home network and I wouldn't dream of removing my wifi network. I still consider wired to be superior though it rarely matters at those latencies.

My Windows laptop on wifi:

My Fedora on wired network:

[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Until the clip breaks off...

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

You could have 30 clips break and it would still be cheaper.

[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

Given the choice, I'd definitely choose a cable for anything I know will require high internet usage. Wireless is just too slow, even on a 5G connection.

I still remember I once broke my Windows installation (young me had tried dual-booting the Windows 10 beta and my Windows 7 installation). I had to get system restored discs from the manufacturer. It wasn't particularly tricky to fix, but it took a long time to download those Windows updates after it finished. I noticed an immediate change once I remembered I had an old 30 ft. ethernet cable lying around and plugged it in. (This was maybe 8-10 years ago.)

[-] Subverb@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I'm a cable guy too; it's just better. But you can't get quality CAT6 or better cables for $6.99 anymore.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago

Does this ridiculous number of antennas even do anything or is it just marketing wank?

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 117 points 1 week ago

Technically, it does provide better connection speeds by enabling the router to avoid channel hopping, so it can talk to multiple devices (or the same devices if it has multiple antennae) at the same time. This is part of the recent wifi6 and wifi7 standards so more and more devices will start to gain speeds using this technique

Realistically computers have at best 2 antennae and this is largely marketing wank.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

Though if you have multiple devices all trying to connect to wifi, like even a phone for example, then a computer having two antenna that it can actually use 100% of the time still sounds valuable to me.

[-] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

Lookup "phased array" and "beam forming"

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[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago

Lord Sauron would like a word.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It does. Wifi uses MIMO (Multi-in, multi-out) to run multiple concurrent data streams over the same channel width, which overcomes individual channel bandwidth limitations (there's only so much radio frequency space to go around). Each stream having its own antenna, and having larger antennas, gives stronger signal/noise ratios, less retransmitted packets, and overall better connections.

A lot of those high end "gaming" routers are often oversold though.... MIMO improves throughput if you have an Internet link it can saturate; realistically even a midrange 2x2 802.11AC router will provide more wifi bandwidth than your internet does. And for gaming, they do nothing to improve latency no matter how many streams you run, as wifi's inherent delay (5-15ms) is pretty much a fixed quantity due to its radio broadcast time-sharing nature. The meme is correct. A $6 ethernet cable beats any and all wifi routers and client adapters, and always will.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

MIMO improves throughput if you have an Internet link it can saturate; realistically even a midrange 2x2 802.11AC router will provide more wifi bandwidth than your internet does.

And that's where the fat controller says you are wrong. I have 1000 Mbps down. I've yet to actually hit that speed with WiFi 6.

Also newer WiFi standards significantly improve latency. That's nothing to do with having more antennas though you would be correct there.

The meme is correct. A $6 ethernet cable beats any and all wifi routers and client adapters, and always will.

With current technology you would be correct. But as for the always part: Ethernet is an electrical signal, so it's actually slower than microwave signals used by WiFi, and the WiFi signals can also take a more direct path. So in the future WiFi or LiFi could in fact be faster. It's the processing delay, and scheduling that makes WiFi have higher latency. Not the physical medium.

Before you say this is all academic because of the small distances involved I would remind you that propagation delay is actually a large issue in current microelectronics and computers. Sometimes parts of the same chip are far enough apart to create problems for the engineers due to the high clockspeeds of modern devices.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

I'm a network professional with a specialty in wireless.

Yeah, beam forming and mimo are the main reasons for antenna diversity. There's also more radio chains in those units typically, and more radio chains can provide better speeds if you have client devices that can take advantage of the extra radio chains (both sides need to have the same, increased number of radio chains to see an increase).

The antennas are fairly small/thin pieces of wire that are not very long, so the antennas don't need to look like that, but the quantity is useful.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago

tell that to the $800 of copper running through my walls.

[-] Magister@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

My PC, laptop, work laptop, are all wired using gigabit. But my laptop on wifi reach 1200Mbps so it's faster than cable!

[-] nickhammes@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Faster than gigabit, but not 2.5 gigabit. Your cables likely support the speed, just your ports and switching hardware are capped at gigabit.

It's not extremely expensive, but unless you move around a lot of big files, you're probably getting very diminished returns, even spending less than twice as much for 2.5x speeds.

[-] latesleeper@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Impressive, I lose half my speed with the router around the corner.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

*Excluding running ethernet cables to every room through the attic, down the walls to wall jacks. Also the cost of the jacks, and the various switches needed for several rooms. And the contractor to do it all.

But hey for like $600 I have cat6a in basically every room so

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago

And the contractor to do it all.

Why wouldn’t you do it yourself?

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Like, in an old house its a massive pain in the ass to run that, but still firmly in DIY territory.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Disabled, so physically cannot do it, or I would.

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[-] Zess@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

And then you still need a wireless router to get Internet on your phone unless you use data at home like a crazy person.

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[-] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 28 points 1 week ago

Ethernet is obviously better but running ethernet around your home can be a pain in the arse

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

A pain in the arse you only need to do once, and you can hire someone to do it for you for basically the same cost as a couple of the high end wireless routers, so in like 5 years, you break even.

Also, how much have you spent on your computer (s), phone(s), tablet(s), and all your other internet connected devices, and you won't spend like $500 on something that can run all that stuff simultaneously? Pouring literally thousands of dollars on connected devices, but most won't pay more than they would for a toaster, to get them on the internet, then pay out the wahzoo for gigabit internet that your crummy d-link router can't handle, and you wonder why all your fancy gadgets run like shit.... It's a lot like buying a Ferrari to drive on dirt/gravel roads.

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[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

But what if you're gaming downstairs and the router is upstairs and then you have to go upstairs for pizza rolls so you take your gaming laptop upstairs and you're eating right next to the router and so you're just plugged in and then what if you forgot to turn off the oven and your girlfriend is yelling at you "You're going to start a fire! Why can't you remember to turn off the oven? What's wrong with you?" and then you go back downstairs to finish gaming?

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Dude I just bought 4 refurbished Linksys MX4200 (tri-band) access points for $80 (total), put on OpenWRT, and built a mesh system. I'm incredibly happy with the result, especially for the price. And, I've got wireless bridges all through the house so I can keep some things off the forwarding channels and only in the back haul.

It's not wired, but it's close enough and doesn't require me drilling through all my walls running cable or carving out a space in the house for all of it to coalesce.

Granted, I'm in an area with not a lot of wireless interference...I work in enterprise networking and I've had a lot of issues with remote workers on wireless networks that weren't capable of handling the volume of data that the users were uploading. Sometimes just because there's too much interference...but a lot of the time it's because of misconfiguration (either out of ignorance or because the good features, like multicast-to-unicast, are missing), or printer drivers that spam the wireless with multicast whenever the printer is offline (which I've seen a surprising amount of times).

If you're on wireless...multicast is bad, mmmkay? Only "one" device can talk at a time on wireless (barring MIMO shenanigans), and when it's multicast traffic...it has to get sent at the lowest compatible rates. A lot of routers set this to 6Mbps or even 1Mbps by default. So your nice fancy "1200Mbps" wireless has to slow down a crawl every time your Roku wants to tell Alexa that it's there. Which is surprisingly often. Scale up for all the internet-of-crap stuff people have and it's a miracle their wireless works at all.

Oh and I've found people with extenders they don't know about. Ring Chime? Apparently it functions as an 802.11n (only) extender. Huge bottleneck right there. And then it can only be as good as the signal it gets from the next access point.

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[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Let's see that ethernet cable do orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing...

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[-] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Wireless data links should be the exclusive domain of temporary, nomadic and/or sacrificial applications.

If the channel is permanent, static, or critical; as much of the path as practicable should be provisioned with constrained energy transmission.

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[-] Im_old@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I'm seriously thinking of getting a usbC-ethernet dongle for my mobile, for when I'm at my desk.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Wireless tech has improved greatly over the last 20 years. Speed, latency, bandwidth, stability…all generally excellent. 15 years ago I wouldn’t have wanted to use a wireless mouse or LAN connection. Now? NBD. They just work. Still have issues with poor signal in some areas, but mesh range boosters take care of that pretty easily.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 9 points 1 week ago

But that cable can't summon Kel'Tuzad unlike the router.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Unless you need 6ft of cable or you just run wires on the floor it's more like $200 of plenium rated cable, and keystone jacks and the labor involved with the run.

My house with a half finished basement (easy access) took probably 16-20 hours running to 5 rooms.

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[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I spend a lot more money on good Ethernet switches. But at least that works and is easier to manage than Wifi.

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