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[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

But what if you're gaming downstairs and the router is upstairs and then you have to go upstairs for pizza rolls so you take your gaming laptop upstairs and you're eating right next to the router and so you're just plugged in and then what if you forgot to turn off the oven and your girlfriend is yelling at you "You're going to start a fire! Why can't you remember to turn off the oven? What's wrong with you?" and then you go back downstairs to finish gaming?

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I use the microwave for my pizza rolls like a savage. Problem solved.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

*Excluding running ethernet cables to every room through the attic, down the walls to wall jacks. Also the cost of the jacks, and the various switches needed for several rooms. And the contractor to do it all.

But hey for like $600 I have cat6a in basically every room so

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 24 points 6 days ago

And the contractor to do it all.

Why wouldn’t you do it yourself?

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Disabled, so physically cannot do it, or I would.

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

Like, in an old house its a massive pain in the ass to run that, but still firmly in DIY territory.

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[-] Zess@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

And then you still need a wireless router to get Internet on your phone unless you use data at home like a crazy person.

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[-] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 28 points 6 days ago

Ethernet is obviously better but running ethernet around your home can be a pain in the arse

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 days ago

A pain in the arse you only need to do once, and you can hire someone to do it for you for basically the same cost as a couple of the high end wireless routers, so in like 5 years, you break even.

Also, how much have you spent on your computer (s), phone(s), tablet(s), and all your other internet connected devices, and you won't spend like $500 on something that can run all that stuff simultaneously? Pouring literally thousands of dollars on connected devices, but most won't pay more than they would for a toaster, to get them on the internet, then pay out the wahzoo for gigabit internet that your crummy d-link router can't handle, and you wonder why all your fancy gadgets run like shit.... It's a lot like buying a Ferrari to drive on dirt/gravel roads.

[-] b34k@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I think it’s a little more than $500 to get Ethernet ports installed all around your house. Especially if you need to run through fire breaks and insulation. Will have to wait till a remodel before I can get those installed.

That said, I didn’t skimp on my home networking, even though it’s all wireless. I’ve got 4 WiFi 6 APs on PoE with Cat 6 runs thru the attic. I can get 700 Mbs+ download speeds pretty much anywhere in and around the house.

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[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Preach! I just finished a long DIY remodel and running ethernet to everyroom was less than a $100 in cable and connectors. Obviously it was easier and cheaper for me because I already had a lot of the drywall down.

Either way such a good point you make, people will drop 1k on a phone no questions asked but a few hundred is too much to get the best home upgrade a tech enthusiast could ever ask for.

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[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Or if you rent. I could run an Ethernet cable to my office from my router, but it would have to run upstairs and across a few doorways.

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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Nah, wifi is pretty good today. I just dont like the consumer devices like the router shown here. Recently redid my wireless and went with a non wifi router, a poe switch and a few access points, connected through ethernet. I wouldnt dream of going back to the conventional one wifi router. Still use wired for stationary devices I can reach with a cable though.. TV, AV, consoles, PC are all wired.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

To be honest, I think a lot of Lemmy users are old and yearn for the older technologies simply because they have been more familiar with them than newer ones. They would have used the first gen of a technology, which may not be efficient, and dismiss it altogether, without realising that subsequent generations of that technology improves over time.

I have had that realisation of cognitive bias when I had Bluetooth headphones back in early 2010s. The wireless connection isn't great and gets cut off every now and then. I dismissed the technology as less efficient than wired earphones. It was over the years with the popularity of airpods that I gave wireless earphones another chance. And honestly, the Bluetooth connectivity vastly improved than I expected and I would not go back to using wired earphones again on regular basis because I don't have to deal with the wires getting tangled or yanked. I only use wired ones as backup if my wireless earphones went missing or broke.

Sorry to say this to OP, but it seems that you're being an old man yelling at the clouds. Look, I'm also old and I admit I have had that moment of yelling at the clouds too. We will have that more moments as we age.

[-] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I have a similar setup to @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world in regards to my home network and I wouldn't dream of removing my wifi network. I still consider wired to be superior though it rarely matters at those latencies.

My Windows laptop on wifi:

My Fedora on wired network:

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Wireless tech has improved greatly over the last 20 years. Speed, latency, bandwidth, stability…all generally excellent. 15 years ago I wouldn’t have wanted to use a wireless mouse or LAN connection. Now? NBD. They just work. Still have issues with poor signal in some areas, but mesh range boosters take care of that pretty easily.

[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Let's see that ethernet cable do orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing...

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

Twisted pairs go brrrrrr

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Dude I just bought 4 refurbished Linksys MX4200 (tri-band) access points for $80 (total), put on OpenWRT, and built a mesh system. I'm incredibly happy with the result, especially for the price. And, I've got wireless bridges all through the house so I can keep some things off the forwarding channels and only in the back haul.

It's not wired, but it's close enough and doesn't require me drilling through all my walls running cable or carving out a space in the house for all of it to coalesce.

Granted, I'm in an area with not a lot of wireless interference...I work in enterprise networking and I've had a lot of issues with remote workers on wireless networks that weren't capable of handling the volume of data that the users were uploading. Sometimes just because there's too much interference...but a lot of the time it's because of misconfiguration (either out of ignorance or because the good features, like multicast-to-unicast, are missing), or printer drivers that spam the wireless with multicast whenever the printer is offline (which I've seen a surprising amount of times).

If you're on wireless...multicast is bad, mmmkay? Only "one" device can talk at a time on wireless (barring MIMO shenanigans), and when it's multicast traffic...it has to get sent at the lowest compatible rates. A lot of routers set this to 6Mbps or even 1Mbps by default. So your nice fancy "1200Mbps" wireless has to slow down a crawl every time your Roku wants to tell Alexa that it's there. Which is surprisingly often. Scale up for all the internet-of-crap stuff people have and it's a miracle their wireless works at all.

Oh and I've found people with extenders they don't know about. Ring Chime? Apparently it functions as an 802.11n (only) extender. Huge bottleneck right there. And then it can only be as good as the signal it gets from the next access point.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I’m a nice fellow who provides free internet to all of my neighbors.

It’s a pain sometimes.

I worry about the teenager upstairs, but all the others are old ladies and it doesn’t bother me a bit…until I want to do something serious.

I’m about to (tax time) invest in a router that allows me to control their bandwidth. It’s free, so if 20mbps don’t work for them they can pay for it.

I will open up the kid’s PS5 so he can game. His laptop is getting 10mbps though.

Old ladies rocking 4k to sleep is too much.

They don’t pay for internet so they get the good good on their services. I’m too sorry and antisocial to go deal with it.

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[-] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago

Wireless data links should be the exclusive domain of temporary, nomadic and/or sacrificial applications.

If the channel is permanent, static, or critical; as much of the path as practicable should be provisioned with constrained energy transmission.

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[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Until the clip breaks off...

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

You could have 30 clips break and it would still be cheaper.

[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I spend a lot more money on good Ethernet switches. But at least that works and is easier to manage than Wifi.

[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Given the choice, I'd definitely choose a cable for anything I know will require high internet usage. Wireless is just too slow, even on a 5G connection.

I still remember I once broke my Windows installation (young me had tried dual-booting the Windows 10 beta and my Windows 7 installation). I had to get system restored discs from the manufacturer. It wasn't particularly tricky to fix, but it took a long time to download those Windows updates after it finished. I noticed an immediate change once I remembered I had an old 30 ft. ethernet cable lying around and plugged it in. (This was maybe 8-10 years ago.)

[-] Subverb@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I'm a cable guy too; it's just better. But you can't get quality CAT6 or better cables for $6.99 anymore.

[-] icecreamtaco@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Who buys a $300 home wifi box? They're $50-100

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[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

I got a used 10Gbe switch and a thunderbolt 10Gbe adapter for my computer and now I can transfer my videos and photos from my NAS like it's my internal hard drives.

It can also do 2.5Gbe which pretty much future proofs me.

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

I set up a mesh router pair a while back - super easy setup, and the speed is good enough to have multiple TVs streaming at once, and without needing to run cables between rooms... Worth it.

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 8 points 6 days ago

The problem with wireless isn't speed anymore, its stability. For a lot of applications that's fine since buffering and whatnot hides any hiccups. but gaming for example is a nightmare on wireless still.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

I've been playing FPS exclusively on wireless for almost 15 years (802.11n 5ghz) and stability has been fine unless you set up your access point far away from your gaming PC for some reason.

Back then you had to get a pretty nice wireless router to do it, but it still worked fine.
Now days even relatively cheap routers will let you game just fine unless you set up far away from the AP and you're in a pro tournament.

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 3 points 5 days ago

If you arent sensitive to jitter, packet loss, etc., and the various ways games react to it, then im happy for you.

Personally, i and many others hate it. It only takes 1 rubber band moment in a shooter to ruin a round, it only takes 1 round to lose a match. Even if you aren't playing super sweaty, its not fun. Even my wife who only games casually noticed the difference between wireless vs wired in a few different shooters after i ran a wire to her new desk. And we do have a good setup overall.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Dude, what you're describing is not a "good setup overall".

I know I'm not sweaty, but what you're talking about goes beyond being "sensitive" or not. Wtf is wrong with your wifi that you're getting any packet loss.

I just ran a speed test multiple times from my phone in another room, and got jitter under 20ms, and packet loss between 0% and 0.1%
My gaming PC with external antenna in the same room as my wireless AP is going to get even better results.
edit: for kicks i tested my wireless gaming PC too:
ping: 2ms
jitter: 0ms
packet loss: 0%

So I'm curious what kind of performance you're expecting to be noticeable to a casual or even sweaty non-pro player.

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Testing on my phone with a few different services: 0.0 to 0.2% packet loss. 9 to 12 ms jitter. Ping 5 to 25. (Edit: also this is same room but with 4k tv wireless streaming going on)

I'm not claiming to be a network expert on why wireless is noticably worse in practice, i picked out packet loss, jitter, etc randomly, i assumed that's how it manifests. but i'd suspect these tests aren't indicative of actual game netcode. They are short too. The whole point is the stability. If i play for 15 minutes no issue but suddenly have a single rubberband, thats an issue which may not show up in 100 tests.

On wireless i can feel that pretty much every session. Everything fine for a while, then not for a moment, then fine, etc.

On wired i only have an issue if the server itself or my isp itself is having an issue.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Are you connected over 5ghz or 2.4?
2.4ghz overlaps with other consumer devices that cause interference, like microwaves, drones, and cordless (landline) phones. If one of those devices turns on nearby, it could cause that until your router hops bands.

I haven't had this problem with 5ghz (so for over a decade, on my gaming PC).

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah ive had 5ghz for ages as well. Use a channel scan to try and avoid my couple neighbors, Pretty decent hardware (not isp junk). House is small so max distance is only 1 wall and ~15ft.

Honestly id just guess you arent as sensitive to it. Are you the type who doesn't notice other types of screen related feeling stuff too? Like 60fps vs 120+, input lag, or screen tearing, micro stutter, macro blocking, soap opera effect, etc.?

I've known plenty of people who are more or less sensitive to all the various ways things fuck up.

If you are sensitive to the other things, then who the hell knows lol.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't imagine I'm especially sensitive to those kinds of things, but I don't expect I'm especially insensitive to them either.

I personally feel like it's hard to get gamers to honestly self report these things, since being able to notice them is caught up on a lot of macho gamer ego bullshit. Whenever I see semi-rigurous tests, it turns out that people over report how sensitive they are.

So do I notice those things? Yeah, I think I do, but I'm not confident in my ability to self report it.

Have I ever experienced things like rubber banding and lag in the last decade? Of course. But rarely can I attribute it to the wireless network rather than server issues, since typically it'll go away when I change servers.

I will say that, personally, I don't find a lot of value in >120fps unless it's important to read a lot of moving text quickly.

[-] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

if that's the latest one that's a great deal. it's usually $800.

[-] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

That one in the picture is $599 isn't it?

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 6 days ago

I have about 6 or 8 ethernet cables in use plus more in my spare cables box, and I don't remember ever paying for one. Where do they come from? I never seem to run out.

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