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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy claims Russian forces are burning the faces of dead North Korean soldiers to hide their involvement in Ukraine.

He says North Koreans are now being deployed in significant numbers, particularly in Russia’s Kursk region, where 200 have reportedly been killed or wounded.

The U.S. confirmed indications of North Korean casualties, while South Korea imposed sanctions on officials and entities involved in North Korea-Russia military cooperation.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 52 points 2 months ago

This would be great for defectors. Harder to tell who died and who found freedom.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago

I'm sure that the CIA backed Radio Free Asia doesn't have a US bias slant

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago
[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Does it make you uncomfortable to hear information that you disagree with despite it being true?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

That's a very strange question for you to ask based on your rejection of information you disagree with.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

It's not a matter of disagreeing with it, the sole purpose of RFA and RFE is propaganda

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

And yet it could still be true information that you're disagreeing with simply because the source is propaganda. You do understand that propaganda and falsehoods are not the same thing, yes?

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Something about a broken clock?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Would that 'broken clock' include the BBC article I gave you a link to? Just out of curiosity. You don't seem to have dismissed it as propaganda.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

The BBC article doesn't make the false claim of Russia burning off their faces to keep it a secret.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It literally does.

It's pretty damn foolish of you to deny the contents of an article are in the article twice.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

It could be in there a dozen times and it doesn't make it true. They've lied to us continually and have a history of lying over decades to manufacture public consent for war.

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

If it were true it would exist in the real world, outside of your .ml echo chamber

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Lemmy.world ironically talking about echo chambers?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Is this information here with us now?

[-] formergijoe@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Cool. Here's the newsweek article on the same thing that has a link to Zelensky's Twitter post where he says the thing. https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-says-russian-troops-burning-faces-killed-north-korean-soldiers-2001980

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

Newsweek is also trash, but for different reasons.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Newsweek has been unable to independently verify the video or Zelensky's allegations.

Awesome.

Like NK soldiers are there and we know they're there. This explanation doesn't seem to pass the straight face test.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I have a feeling that you would say any source with this information is trash by virtue of it having information you don't like.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

And you would be wrong, Newsweek is owned by right wing Christian fundamentalists and RFA is CIA propaganda

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago
[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Point where it says Russia is burning off their faces to keep it a secret

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Seriously?

On Monday, President Zelensky posted drone footage on Telegram that showed a number of men taking cover behind trees, saying they were North Korean troops who had just taken part in an assault on a Ukrainian position.

He also posted footage which he said showed Russian troops trying to conceal the presence of North Koreans on the battlefield by using a campfire to burn the faces of those who had been killed.

All you had to do was read the article and you didn't bother because you're too convinced you're right and all of these sources are lying.

It's not even a very long article.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

I don't even have a horse in this race, but it's kinda crazy how badly people seem to want to believe this one crazy detail of an already unbelievable conflict

  • a: they're paraphrasing zelenski there, and,

  • b:

The BBC has not independently verified the claims.

They're all reporting on the same tweet, it's not surprising that none of them have been able to verify it

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

That really doesn't change my point. All three articles give the same information.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

Yea I don't disagree. It's just an incredible claim and it's surprising that it's apparently not being scrutinized much in the reporting.

People really want to take this as granted, and that's kinda the point of manufactured consent.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago

It does, but that doesn't necessarily mean its reporting is false.

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Come on! Say something about the USSR!

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Trying to conflate the USSR and Russia is infantile

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

That's why they're listed separately I guess

[-] pythonoob@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

It's like they can't read lol

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Great comeback. When people are quoting the literal CIA funded outlet Radio Free Asia as a source, which is known for making outrageous claims against any enemy of America without evidence, say "Russia and China bad" and poof everything is proven.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

3x3 Bingo? Please. 5x5 or go home.

...Man I miss State Department Bingo.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

You're not helping promote journalistic integrity.

All you're doing is saying "it's okay to be biased when it supports my side."

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

There is also video evidence of this

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

You're not wrong but you're not right.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 13 points 2 months ago

Seems pretty fucking far fetched

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

They had mobile crematoriums so why not?

[-] rzadkie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

But why north koreans and not any other foreign nationals they've conscripted/employed?

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago

It's not like DNA testing wouldn't confirm they're Koreans. They're just wasting fuel doing this.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

A picture is worth 1000 words.

Pictures of DNA don't tell laymen much about who is involved.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 months ago

Idk a pic of 200 dead men with their face burned off might do something.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Laymen will just think "war is hell" without considering who those people really were.

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